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08:42 Chandrashekhar : GM all
09:00 Raveendra Narayanswamy : gm all
09:02 Uttam : Good Morning All 🙂
09:02 Uttam : https://vtrender.com/market-profile-analysis-dated-14th-january-2021/
09:03 Rusi : Gm all
09:05 Shai : GM all
09:06 Shai : Ref lines for the open are the same at 1600- 610 this open
09:06 Shai : 14470 continues to be a supp and supply can be seen on higher probes
09:06 Shai : staage 2 at work
09:06 Shai : BNF was normal yesterday
09:06 Shai : 32655 ref line
09:07 Shai : has been quiet and should be the one to watch today for movement
09:07 Shai : 32450 is a supp
09:07 Shai : 32860 to watch upper end
09:10 Sumit : Gm all
09:11 Surya : GM all
09:20 Shai : 14623 has 0’s again
09:21 Shai : 105 a supp in 14600 pe
09:22 Shai : looking at 14550 F
09:22 Shai : same range as the composite yesterday
09:22 Abhishek : Shai, it would be great if you can tell how you figured out 105 as support. Looked at MP, 14600 esterdays J at 117 last
09:23 Shai : 14555-14625
09:23 KK : bnf holding 450 ?
09:25 Chandrashekhar : @Shai, seem some lag on room charts, zoom working fine
09:26 Shai : wilkl check, looks fine
09:27 Shai : Shoirt NF 14592 sl of 14620 tgt 14550
09:27 Uttam : 14600pe from 132-150 done
09:27 Uttam : can do 168 that pe
09:27 Uttam : sustaining above 150
09:28 Shai : 14600 pe shiould get momom abv 156
09:29 Shai : 14571 book half and sl at cost now- (09:27) Shai : Shoirt NF 14592 sl of 14620 tgt 14550
09:30 Shai : The ace in the pack for bias- (09:20) Shai : 14623 has 0’s again
09:31 Ankush Jain : but don’t we ignore 0s in 1st bar?
09:32 Uttam : move away from yPOC A
09:32 Uttam : its not just OF but MP also we follow 🙂
09:33 Ankush Jain : ok thanks UG
09:33 Uttam : 166 done – (09:27) Uttam : can do 168 that pe
09:33 Shai : book full 14550- (09:27) Shai : Shoirt NF 14592 sl of 14620 tgt 14550
09:33 Uttam : +1 Shai
09:34 Shai : got there – (09:22) Shai : looking at 14550 F
09:34 Uttam : 14550 was the buying yesterday
09:34 Uttam : 3 day comp VAL at 14542
09:34 Sumeet : smooth and without fuss !
09:34 Tejaswini : room charts frozen?
09:35 Chandrashekhar : yes..only reds dominating since open
09:35 Viswas : bnf support now?
09:35 Chandrashekhar : 542 was value zones per Uttams report on MP
09:36 Shai : early move looks done
09:37 Uttam : similar to the move we had atg open yesterday
09:37 Sanjib : BNF tested the singles
09:38 Uttam : 32377-32250 buying tail in BNF
09:38 Ankush Jain : now FIIs will come in to buy. DIIs have sold
09:42 Shai : short NF again below 14526 sl of 14552 tgt 14490
09:43 Uttam : turning into a drive away from the POC
09:45 Shai : why do you think I said short agin? 🙂
09:45 Uttam : 🙂
09:45 Rajesh G : zeroes
09:46 Uttam : 14500pe from 142-155
09:46 Shai : 1445
09:46 Shai : Book full in NF shorts
09:46 Uttam : +100
09:46 Shai : 14495*
09:46 Chandrashekhar : +100 Shai
09:46 Shai : day done
09:46 Uttam : yep
09:46 Uttam : now lets go for the beers 😉
09:47 Shai : Good Morning to all who are just waking up 🙂
09:47 Rajan Modi : hahha
09:47 Rajan Modi : good one Shai _/\_
09:47 Uttam : (09:38) Uttam : 32377-32250 buying tail in BNF
09:47 Shai : 14555 zone now a supply
09:48 Shai : A third round below 14490 only now
09:48 Uttam : yes 14485 is a HVN
09:48 Uttam : this week
09:49 Uttam : series POC in NF shifted higher to 14594 which was a sign for caution for longs
09:49 Uttam : mentioned this in today’s report too
09:49 Chandrashekhar : +1 Uttam
09:54 Shai : 14569 sl if anyone wants to short at vwap here 14545
09:54 Shai : don’t lose what you made already
09:54 Shai : small size
09:55 Prashant null : most times I do exactly that.
09:56 Shai : make a habit of carrying green MTM home everyday, the qunatum does noit matter
09:56 Shai : but it is a confidence booseter
09:56 Shai : booster*
09:56 Uttam : yes Shai this is Gold
09:56 Chandrashekhar : yes, golden words…true it is
09:56 Chandrashekhar : it brings the psycholgy
09:57 Uttam : will clear all the self doubts you begin to get
09:57 Chandrashekhar : psychology*
09:57 Prashant null : oh yes. total mood enhancer
09:57 Himanshu : GM Chief and Mates
09:57 Himanshu : Green MTM daily
09:57 Uttam : plus keeps you in the right frme of mind to pull the next trigger
09:58 Himanshu : second spell after 2 days break of 2k.5 K loss – on 7th Day of green MTM daily
09:58 Himanshu : Jit gave objective for 90 days consistency ..
09:59 Himanshu : UG + 1000 to that
10:04 KK : Shai, shorted again at 454, SL 461 ?
10:04 Shai : 14569
10:04 Shai : (09:54) Shai : 14569 sl if anyone wants to short at vwap here 14545
10:05 Shai : 14520/ 14500 obj
10:05 Chandrashekhar : 14500 PE writers showinf some courage here….fresh writing in it
10:05 Chandrashekhar : guess they read Uttams report and have marked 480 levels;)
10:05 Shai : 14600 pe on day hard stop revised to 153 for all holding – (09:28) Shai : 14600 pe shiould get momom abv 156
10:06 Shai : up to 154- (09:21) Shai : 105 a supp in 14600 pe
10:22 KK : Is RIL Result after market ?
10:28 Aditya : c side in bnf?
10:29 Uttam : C side coming in both looks like
10:30 Uttam : BNF on for 32149?
10:31 Sanjib : 14550 PE 144 to 160 all out
10:31 Uttam : +1
10:32 Shai : 14522 can reduce here half- (10:04) Shai : (09:54) Shai : 14569 sl if anyone wants to short at vwap here 14545(10:05) Shai : 14520/ 14500 obj
10:32 Sanjib : Tks UG
10:32 Tejaswini : BNF view @Shai?
10:32 Shai : BNF 32475 hard stop for shorts
10:33 Himanshu : 1842 Was Kotak Level on MSC rebalncing day ..
10:33 Shai : viw is to stay short inta below 14570 and 32470
10:35 Tejaswini : thanks
10:36 Shai : next round of shorts will be introduced only below 14490 F now
10:36 Shai : if that comes expect a wild close today
10:37 Chandrashekhar : C extn in BNF
10:40 Aditya : that green in bnf 1702 is shorts booking?
10:42 Jitender : buyer
10:42 Ankush Jain : no C side it looks like
10:42 Aditya : how do we decide that ?
10:43 Chandrashekhar : c side setup in play for BNF?
10:43 Jitender : no rules Aditya..250 is a critical lvl..and it looks like a algo buy
10:43 Jitender : already waiting to buy tere
10:43 Aditya : Thx J
10:44 Jitender : TGIF
10:45 Shai : NF shorts all clsoed now
10:45 Shai : 14569 still highe ref
10:45 Aditya : 1702 a big buyer right?
10:46 Jitender : ys
10:46 Jitender : but he needs bnf abv 350
10:46 Himanshu : 32148 Spot BN of 13th Low tested .
10:47 Viswas : spx waterfall
10:48 Jitender : spx jerk dwn
10:54 Himanshu : Now we are back in box
10:54 Himanshu : today could be filling in Stem of 32250-350 as UG mentioned earlier
11:05 Rajesh G : shai can u give a hint while a trade is getting developed
11:08 Sanjib : 404 looks late lateef
11:08 Ankush Jain : D again today?
11:08 Ankush Jain : 490 breached
11:09 Jitender : his test nw 🙂 (10:45) Aditya : 1702 a big buyer right?(10:46) Jitender : ys(10:46) Jitender : but he needs bnf abv 350
11:09 Jitender : 247 exact …
11:09 Sanjib : 14500 PE 161 to 169 in that fall
11:10 Jitender : nw u know Aditya fr sure its a algo n buyer
11:10 Aditya : yeah to the point
11:10 Jitender : +1 Sanjib
11:10 Sanjib : Thanks Jit
11:10 Aditya : +100 J
11:10 Jitender : live case example
11:10 Viswas : no followup below 40
11:10 KK : sp balance no
11:10 Viswas : 490
11:10 KK : Now
11:11 Aditya : as far as he is holding, we are good?
11:11 Ankush Jain : those 0s negated
11:11 Shai : 14485 some 1 bought
11:11 Tejaswini : So Jit this should mean BNf to take the vwap atleast
11:11 Shai : we kkeep that pending below his buy levels
11:11 KK : back to 570?
11:11 Jitender : ideally yes T..spx improves, he will romp it home’
11:12 Tejaswini : thanks
11:14 Sanjib : 1100 buy at 14475 as well
11:14 Vidhyasagar Lingesan : 1106 at 11475… but still its a pink band.. why is that UG?
11:15 Uttam : 67 red against 0
11:16 Uttam : green dot shows the big buyer
11:16 Uttam : so go with the bigger sign
11:16 Amit : yes on for it…
11:16 Vidhyasagar Lingesan : got it… thanks
11:17 Shai : Buy 14500 pe at 155 sl of 125 tgt 190
11:19 Jitender : see guys..hw algo wrks..3rd attempt defended
11:21 Uttam : 32220 was the Trend Day VWAP in BNF of the 12th Jan DD
11:21 Uttam : buyers defenbding that so far
11:22 Shai : Utam FA on line
11:22 Uttam : yes sir
11:23 Shai : can zip down tro 14405
11:23 Shai : need slightly biggger sl of 14540
11:23 Shai : but trade doable
11:23 Shai : trade it via that PE
11:23 Uttam : 32500pe 601-645 50% out going against the algo 🙂
11:24 Shai : BNF shoukldf cut down
11:24 Jitender : n algo overcum “)
11:24 Jitender : 🙂
11:24 Uttam : (10:30) Uttam : BNF on for 32149?
11:24 Jitender : lovely
11:25 Himanshu : yes
11:25 Himanshu : my SL o 31800 PE hit by 25 points
11:26 Himanshu : – box broken of 32148 – Spot
11:26 Himanshu : Hulko(Algo) ..
11:28 Shai : 180 reduce half- (11:17) Shai : Buy 14500 pe at 155 sl of 125 tgt 190
11:28 Uttam : 32150 to the dot – (10:30) Uttam : BNF on for 32149?
11:28 Shai : stay with me
11:28 Shai : no stunts
11:28 Ankush Jain : always
11:29 Shai : some buyers coming in
11:29 Shai : this is still vpoc of Mon
11:29 Jitender : one more question…..will an algo with money buy abv or at or below a critical lvl..it has worked out fr itself ?
11:31 Sanjib : mplite showing data as of 11:15 only #Futures
11:33 Shai : refresh
11:33 Shai : RS forming
11:33 Shai : one IS here will do it
11:33 Viswas : a trending friday
11:33 Ankush Jain : every pull back is giving LHs
11:33 Uttam : move away from POC remember in the moening A?
11:33 Uttam : Trend Day in the making
11:34 Uttam : which is why Open Tyoe is so important in MP
11:34 Ankush Jain : yes
11:35 Uttam : BNF also opened below the HVN of 32684 and broke that 32550 in IB itself which made it weak for the day
11:35 Uttam : first objective of 32149 met
11:36 Shai : exit the bal qty in PE\
11:36 Shai : IB came 🙁
11:36 Uttam : yep
11:37 Rajan Modi : 14600 CE didnt make new low post 11.10 am even in last dip
11:37 Shai : BNf abv 0’s again
11:37 Shai : close shorts
11:37 Shai : we wait
11:38 Ankush Jain : no longs today ?
11:40 Arjun : Fryday
11:41 Jitender : 32190-32340 zone fr nw
11:42 Uttam : 0s at 32250 in BNF immd ref
11:42 Uttam : 32250 was that ext handle too
11:44 Jitender : 🙂
11:45 Jitender : done majorly fr today guys..tc n trade safe
11:45 Shai : +1
11:49 Uttam : both forming a ‘b’ profile for now
11:50 Uttam : BNF stalling at vwap
11:51 Uttam : this is holding – (11:42) Uttam : 0s at 32250 in BNF immd ref
11:53 Uttam : above VWAP can go for 32415
11:55 Shai : No- (11:38) Ankush Jain: no longs today ?
11:56 Ankush Jain : thanks
11:57 Shai : A singles and vwap
11:57 Shai : mentioned 14570 and 32465 as ref zoen for shorts
11:57 Shai : will respond if that is taken out
11:58 Ankush Jain : yes Shai, all njotted down
11:58 Ankush Jain : NF not able to cross vwap today
11:59 Shai : Algo crossfire in BNF at 11.35 candle
11:59 Shai : Also happened in NF smae time
12:00 Shai : BNF 32110- 140 was VPOC last week so they are all big guns firing there
12:00 KK : VWAP will cross but still would be contra.
12:01 Shai : NF also hit VPOC of Mon zone
12:02 Shai : hence was asking all to stay cautiaus
12:02 Shai : big vol zome and fryday today
12:02 Aditya09 : +1 shai
12:02 Shai : babt steps by sellers today against a rampant bull who won’t give up
12:03 Shai : same vol in G or K will give an extension handle
12:17 KK : bnf above vwap
12:22 Himanshu : Chief – first stunt on 1702 Green Band in BNF – failed in short sell of 31800 PE – though post Algo action -your input of some buyers emerging –
12:22 Himanshu : entered the same strike with double size – at 320 Rs – booked at 220 now
12:22 Shai : +1
12:23 Shai : Even NF may want a test at 14540 higher
12:23 Uttam : congo H
12:23 Shai : let’s see
12:23 Himanshu : You said right – UG also – move away from – POC f last 3 days
12:23 Himanshu : has to be fast and we have to respect that
12:23 Uttam : (11:51) Uttam : this is holding – (11:42) Uttam : 0s at 32250 in BNF immd ref(11:53) Uttam : above VWAP can go for 32415
12:23 Himanshu : while trading contra ..
12:23 Uttam : 32399 so far
12:24 Uttam : 32410
12:24 Himanshu : Thx UG
12:24 Uttam : BNF close to the mroning selling tail
12:25 Uttam : 32412.9 – (11:51) Uttam : this is holding – (11:42) Uttam : 0s at 32250 in BNF immd ref(11:53) Uttam : above VWAP can go for 32415
12:25 Uttam : 590 green there
12:25 Viswas : shorters sl?
12:26 Uttam : low made aftwer this was 32280 – (11:42) Uttam : 0s at 32250 in BNF immd ref(11:42) Uttam : 32250 was that ext handle too
12:26 Uttam : OF simply rocks
12:26 Favas : ug bnf ref?
12:26 Himanshu : Stem filled now
12:26 Himanshu : of 13th
12:27 Uttam : 32380 needs to hold
12:27 Shai : happening – (12:23) Shai : Even NF may want a test at 14540 higher
12:27 Swapnil : +1 Shai
12:27 Uttam : can get some short covering in that A period singles
12:27 Favas : st vwap?
12:28 Himanshu : Every Single in between profiles has to be married with in 3-5 day . Overlap and Belly is must.
12:28 Himanshu : What a real life concept
12:29 Uttam : NF at that composite VAL of 14542
12:30 Viswas : ce premium not moved much
12:30 Ankush Jain : abv vwap after quite sometime
12:31 KK : test of 554 above 540 ?
12:32 Shai : npo red yet on this test NF
12:32 Uttam : looks like SLs of shorts getting hit Shai?
12:32 Uttam : both have big greens
12:33 Uttam : the Bull algo taken over again?
12:33 Shai : shorts covered at lows
12:33 Sanjib : BNF looking ominous
12:33 Shai : no newe reds now again
12:33 Shai : 14560 doable on green sl vwap
12:34 Himanshu : Fck
12:34 Uttam : BNF can do 32544?
12:34 Uttam : 32380 ref on downside and below that vwap
12:34 Shai : no long in BNF tuiill 32470 crossed
12:35 Uttam : yes 9:30 had that big IS in BNF
12:37 Shai : scratch this – we wait- (12:33) Shai : 14560 doable on green sl vwap
12:43 Devkant Swargiary : looks like charts stuck…
12:43 Shai : 2d IB
12:44 Shai : fair enough
12:44 Devkant Swargiary : thankyou… well been late, but happy new year…
12:44 Shai : Happy new yeat 🙂
12:45 Shai : Noon show begins guys- our levels are tested
12:45 Sanjib : NF facing resistance at 14550
12:45 Shai : watch for reds
12:45 Shai : saw what happned when reds did not show at vwap- (12:33) Shai : no newe reds now again
12:48 Shai : Buy 14600 pe av 170 sl of 152 tgt 193/ 210. Trade 50% size
12:49 Shai : cmp 164- we do a buy abv
12:49 Shai : exp is vwap/ poc and then review
12:51 Himanshu : Chief – sorry to intrupt – do we have delaeyd MP chart or issue is with my end
12:51 Himanshu : On MPlite I meant
12:51 Tejaswini : in?
12:52 Swapnil : 14600 PE in above 170
12:53 Sanjib : Mp lite is delayed H
12:54 Ankush Jain : & we r in H
12:55 Shai : 3 min built in delay to protect the browser
12:56 Shai : can be overcome by a refresh
12:58 Tejaswini : @Shai do we wait for 14600 OE?
12:58 Tejaswini : *PE
12:58 Shai : 14600 pe in
12:58 Tejaswini : thamks
12:58 Shai : can keep sl at 154
12:59 Shai : scroll up I have mentioned 154 several times today and 14570
13:00 Shai : https://mplite.vtrender.com/?symbol=O_NIFTY14600PE20210121&tf=daily&tpo=0.5&isComposite=0&ivp=0&sp=1&startDate=&endDate=&nDays=8
13:02 Himanshu : ok thx chief
13:06 Tejpreet : VWAP done +1 Shai
13:07 Shai : (12:49) Shai : exp is vwap/ poc and then review
13:07 Shai : 180 reduce half
13:08 Shai : sl at 165 on rest
13:08 Shai : reds are now here
13:08 Uttam : +100
13:08 Himanshu : wow
13:08 Shai : see the difference between 12.25
13:08 Shai : 14494 should come
13:14 Shai : BNf below 32329 all longs will cobver
13:15 Shai : 186
13:15 Shai : you guys having fun yet?
13:15 Shai : so easy to trade with #Orderflow no?
13:15 Augustin : +1
13:15 Uttam : +1000
13:15 Ankush Jain : +1
13:16 Shai : cover the PE fully
13:16 Shai : we buy again next round
13:17 Shai : closed- (12:48) Shai : Buy 14600 pe av 170 sl of 152 tgt 193/ 210. Trade 50% size
13:17 Shai : both came- (12:49) Shai : exp is vwap/ poc and then review
13:17 Shai : A littel more red could have given 30 more
13:34 Viswas : spx fecovering
13:44 Himanshu : J – here for jadu
13:48 Ankush Jain : Now NF tending to stay abv vwap
13:51 Shai : At vwap\
13:51 Shai : 14515 break yields 14490 again
13:51 KK : fryday karo yaar..
13:51 Shai : that dpoc is crisscrossing
13:51 Shai : locals again
13:51 Shai : NTZ
13:52 Shai : 14490
13:53 KK : lets go to 450
13:53 KK : and more
13:53 Shai : This is real algos – (13:51) Shai : 14515 break yields 14490 again
13:53 Tejpreet : now we get the full loaded fun +100 Chief 🙂
13:54 Viswas : ye to fryyyyday ho haya 🙂
13:54 Shai : 14600 pe again 176 sl buy dips tgt 248
13:55 Shai : booking order
13:56 Shai : 187 to 241 done in 14600 pe
13:56 Augustin : @Shai BNF Can carry PE’s over weekend?
13:56 Tejpreet : need to keep TSL and trade this down move
13:57 Shai : for carry review post K
13:57 Augustin : ok
13:57 Shai : Put buy order near 204 in 14600 pe
13:57 Shai : sl 177
13:57 KK : where do we go now 390 ?
13:57 Swapnil : gatlim
13:57 Swapnil : (ignore)
14:01 Shai : there are cover orders here – we short a small rise
14:02 Anand : Orderflow is like John Cena… you cant see me !!!
14:02 KK : 400 PE not falling much
14:03 Viswas : they did 535 to 455 in just 6mnt…writers ki langot gayi
14:05 KK : ab BNF ki baari
14:08 Shai : can ride tyhe 14500 pe here cmp 190 can do 255 sl of 155\
14:09 Uttam : 33000pe from 888-960
14:09 Shai : FA we reviews in NF
14:09 Uttam : you got the FA Shai as promised in the morning 🙂
14:10 Himanshu : BNF might jump the fence
14:10 Himanshu : 32088
14:10 Shai : 13430 can come below 14400
14:10 Shai : stay short
14:10 Prashant null : Monday vap
14:10 Shai : Algos- (13:53) Shai : This is real algos – (13:51) Shai : 14515 break yields 14490 again
14:10 Shai : no messing
14:10 Himanshu : 31750
14:10 Prashant null : gap
14:12 Kaustubh : VoS 16.8
14:12 Tejaswini : BNF can spike?
14:12 Tejaswini : on the downside
14:13 Shai : Buy 14500 pre gain 186 sl of 160 tgt 246
14:14 Shai : expecting 14330
14:14 Adnan : charts frozen
14:15 Shai : charts fine
14:15 Shai : refresh
14:15 Shai : ride a PE guys
14:16 Tejpreet : riding multiple chief
14:17 Uttam : Tej got the bear this week
14:17 Tejpreet : 🙂 Jan
14:17 Ankush Jain : bhaloo aaya
14:17 Shai : 14330
14:17 Shai : we cover
14:19 Shai : 236 now- (14:13) Shai : Buy 14500 pre gain 186 sl of 160 tgt 246
14:19 Shai : 196 TSL
14:20 Shai : 1465 full exit of shorts
14:21 Uttam : 14375 was an hvn in NF
14:22 Uttam : looks like these sellers had that as the tgt
14:22 Uttam : 8th Jan profile
14:22 Uttam : 14320 is the VPOC of that day
14:25 KK : if goes to 554 , fun it would be
14:26 Tejpreet : 145k monthly pe 232 with 18 point sl , last short.
14:26 Shai : Addded back 14500 pe 180 sl 160
14:26 Tejpreet : 🙂
14:27 Shai : 14465- (14:20) Shai : 1465 full exit of shorts
14:27 Tejpreet : 248 half out.
14:28 Uttam : afternoon pullback?
14:28 Uttam : checked that ext handle
14:28 Tejaswini : pullback done
14:28 Uttam : and now can go for new lows
14:28 Tejaswini : ?
14:30 KK : short covering sirf ek hi aadmi kara sakta ..mota bhai
14:30 Tejaswini : 160 on that PE is a hard stop @Shai?
14:31 Shai : hard]
14:31 Shai : fryday no chances
14:32 Ankush Jain : the real fry(i)day today
14:32 Ankush Jain : 🙂
14:32 Shai : exit
14:33 Shai : I only traded put side today so am okay today
14:33 Shai : told you all not top take longs
14:34 Uttam : same here Shai traded only in 33000pe / 32500 pe & 14600pe & 14500pe
14:34 Uttam : all in green
14:34 Shai : too much movemnt to get one last trade in
14:34 Ankush Jain : 14700/800 calls good to carry short?
14:35 Shai : can but vix may go up more
14:40 Rohit : From +7dt earlier, to -3dt, to finally closing at +7dt. It has been a roller coaster day, but probably one of the better days to trade, because on a trend day market is somewhat more forgiving.
14:40 Rohit : No more trades now unless Shai comes up with someting compelling !(Have given up good profits all too often and all to easily)
14:40 Shai : cheers- (14:40) Rohit : From +7dt earlier, to -3dt, to finally closing at +7dt. It has been a roller coaster day, but probably one of the better days to trade, because on a trend day market is somewhat more forgiving.
14:41 Shai : but close at +7DT next time
14:41 Shai : that move below 14400 got aborted
14:41 Shai : 14330 will be tested however
14:41 Ankush Jain : +7DT & -3DT means -10DT at a given point
14:41 Shai : 14570 is ref line into mon where shorts shoul add more
14:43 Rohit : Shai, looking to match a 7 figure dt with you soon ! Cheers to you for this wonderful setup !
14:46 Prashant null : How is a DT defined? In rupees, % of capital or some multiple of R? I am not aware of it.
14:46 Rohit : 1% of trading capital
14:47 Rusi : whatis a DT ?
14:47 Rajiv Ohri : Shai done for the day or can get some omore action
14:51 Rohit : Guys, it’s all there in your welcome kit. DT is daily target both for risk and reward.
14:51 Uttam : red band started but disappeared
14:52 Tejaswini : @Shai since vix is expected to rise and NF 330 test is also remaining can carry shorts here?
14:53 Prashant null : thanks. didn’t see it the library etc
14:54 Uttam : you have an article on Risk Management in the welcome mail Prashanth
14:54 Uttam : Library is all about the trading set ups
14:54 Rohit : https://vtrender.com/risk-management-on-calls/
14:55 Prashant null : ok
14:57 Prashant null : just one question. trading capital as in the total amount say 10 Lacs OR the amount being used, say, I trade 2lots, so that won’t involve the entire capital. So this DT is 1% of whic amount. Or is the entire capital is use
14:57 Prashant null : used as in fixed risk, varying lots type?
14:58 Uttam : your lot size will depend on the basis of 1% risk on each trade
14:59 Prashant null : ya, I am asking what the denominator is.
15:00 Jitender : Prashant..DT is daily tgt..a concept wich has worked fr me fr past 4+ years…n have shared it here
15:00 Jitender : ideally it is 0.5% of ID tradn capital
15:01 Jitender : the idea is to objectify yr risk n return expectations
15:01 Prashant null : ID?
15:01 Jitender : intra day
15:02 Prashant null : ok
15:02 Tejpreet : ID can take higher risk if you know your rr and win rate .
15:02 Jitender : so if u use fr eg on an avg of 10lac cap a day…yr return should start with 5k and post u achieving it yr next trade should be on reduced vols
15:02 Jitender : the idea is to preserve what u make n be consistent n green everyday
15:03 Shai : can bbut 50% only- (14:52) Tejaswini : @Shai since vix is expected to rise and NF 330 test is also remaining can carry shorts here?
15:03 Shai : we short a rise
15:03 Tejaswini : thanks
15:03 Shai : done for the day guys
15:04 Prashant null : ok. but what if I have 10 l capital but at no point I am going beyond 2 lots, I can’t be targeting .5% of 10 Lacs?
15:04 Jitender : no 5% of wat u deploy on an avg
15:04 Shai : we got winked out of a last easy short, but hiope everyone had a good session and are in green MTM
15:04 Sanjiv : +1
15:04 Tejaswini : +1
15:04 Jitender : 0.5%*
15:04 Prashant null : ok thanks man
15:04 Rohit : +1 Shai, Was up 7dt in one a/c and closed that. Then was down 3dt in other a/c and recovered that to no profit no loss. (14:41) Shai : but close at +7DT next time
15:05 Himanshu : Congrtaes
15:06 Prashant null : green here
15:06 Prashant null : didn’t lose what I made in first hour
15:06 Swapnil : @Shai – is it time to buy PUTs for portfolio protection?
15:07 Uttam : portfolio is in danger only when 11600 breaks this year Swapnil, Shai mentioned this on 1st Jan
15:07 Shai : @swapnil yes – start with a bit
15:07 Jitender : +1 Prashant
15:07 Shai : just to protect recent gains
15:07 Uttam : +1
15:08 Swapnil : Thanks
15:08 Ankush Jain : 17000 ce Dec trading around 400. Can be shorted to hedge portfolio
15:12 Jitender : fr hedgn buy PE…less margin n better protection
15:12 Jitender : u can go 45DTE if u want some room
15:13 Uttam : a 150 point drop is just 1% now in NF 🙂
15:14 Uttam : BNF dPOC at 32300
15:14 Ankush Jain : just 1%
15:15 Ankush Jain : and tomorrow headlines will be investors lose itne lakh crores in market crash
15:15 Uttam : NF dPOC right now at 14540 but can shift lower to 14460 by close looks like or will go for a vwap close
15:19 Shai : 3-1-3 profile today
15:19 Shai : Mostly inside this range Mon
15:19 Uttam : +1
15:22 Shai : Take care all
15:22 Shai : Have a good evening and a lovely weekend
15:23 Shai : catch up Mon
15:23 Abhishek : You tooo Shai +1
15:23 Shai : we shoulkd see more blockbuster moves restof Jan
15:23 Uttam : Amen Shai 🙂
15:24 Himanshu : Bye Chief and UG – Jit and all mates
15:24 Himanshu : had a good day
15:24 Uttam : have a relaxing weekend All 🙂
15:25 Tejpreet : Bye All.
15:25 Uttam : highest vols in NF now at 14460 – (15:15) Uttam : NF dPOC right now at 14540 but can shift lower to 14460 by close looks like or will go for a vwap close
15:28 Sumit : Bye all
15:30 Himanshu : bye all