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NF (Aug)
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Room Chat
09:03 Rahul : hi morning
09:03 Aditya09 : good morning all
09:03 Aditya09 : happy trading
09:04 Muralidhar : Good morning everybody…
09:04 Rahul : is anyone facing issues in webinato web ?
09:04 Ankush Jain : like?
09:05 Rohan Wonder : Gm Evrery1
09:06 Chandrashekhar : GM all
09:06 Rahul : blank in web
09:06 Rahul : let me try again
09:06 Ankush Jain : its fine
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09:09 Shai : GM all
09:09 Ankush Jain : morning
09:09 Kaustubh : gm all
09:09 Shai : 11530 is the higher ref for the day
09:10 Shai : watch for the ability of the market to stay above 11530
09:10 Shai : support now is straong at 11430 and should prevail
09:10 Shai : we watch for RB’s on any sharp dips to this zone
09:11 Shai : BNF ref line os 22944
09:11 Shai : Anyhigher prob abv 22944 should meet 23275
09:11 Shai : supp at 22700
09:17 Rahul : Shai can u please zoom link
09:17 Shai : espect a quiet OAIR first half
09:18 Chandrashekhar : Shai spike rule in play here for NF?
09:19 Shai : No spike was there
09:20 Chandrashekhar : the K session profile of yesterday cant be considered a spike?
09:22 Shai : spikes are in M and N
09:22 Shai : BNF charging
09:22 Chandrashekhar : thanks
09:22 Uttam : Good Morning All 🙂
09:23 Uttam : 23k done in BNF 🙂
09:23 Tejpreet : Here comes the Pied Piper for BN 🙂
09:24 Uttam : _/\_
09:28 Sadees : UG.. for BNF hypo levels of 23000- 149, should we wait for entry near vwap?
09:28 Shai : Intra – Buy BNF 23080 sl opf 22880 tgt 23320/ 23396
09:29 Shai : BNF drive up – minor
09:29 Uttam : open above PDH was a aggressive buy in BNF with SL at hypo1 – (09:28) Sadees : UG.. for BNF hypo levels of 23000- 149, should we wait for entry near vwap?
09:29 Shai : NF OAIR
09:30 Uttam : +1
09:31 Shai : 11485 now a supp for NF at open
09:32 Rohan Wonder : 11500pe +9L COI
09:33 Shai : sbin and indus are trading with higher volumes for BNF today
09:35 Himanshu : 23K PE Sep – Onight Covered at 705 / 150 Points – Daal Roti done
09:36 K2dt : congrats H
09:36 K2dt : shubh savera
09:36 Himanshu : Aur Kya Ganpati Bappa Moriya
09:36 K2dt : 😀
09:36 Himanshu : Good Morning All ..
09:39 Himanshu : NF wants to trap early writers 11500 PE
09:40 Shai : make exit in the BNF trade at 23065 here – (09:28) Shai : Intra – Buy BNF 23080 sl opf 22880 tgt 23320/ 23396
09:40 Shai : -15
09:41 Ankush Jain : 0s in NF
09:41 Shai : turned openb auction from a drive
09:45 Munish : 0s in NF, consider a long here?
09:45 KK : next set of 0s at 11464 will come ?
09:46 Sandeep B : Should we go long in NF around 11490?
09:56 KK : RIL down, AGR impact ?
10:00 Himanshu : Again – AG/OG start ho gaya,,, BC -decision leke khatam karo yyar
10:06 Munish : NF moving around that 485 supp Shai mentioned
10:06 Rohan Wonder : SBI Looks good can pull BNF towards 23300 ?
10:25 Muralidhar : Screen sharing off
10:25 MJ : https://mplite.vtrender.com/?symbol=NIFTY&tf=monthly_s&tpo=12&ll=&ul=&sp=1&startDate=01-01-2020&endDate=31-03-2020&nDays=64&idstr=&dstr=&rst=1&iam=
10:26 MJ : Nifty in that socket zone of Feb.
10:28 Ankush Jain : chrts?
10:33 Krantik Bordoloi : yeah, charts are not loading here too
10:34 Rajesh G : no charts
10:35 Munish : Room charts not working
10:35 Muralidhar : No charts
10:35 Munish : joinme working
10:35 Munish : NF breaks the 485 support
10:37 Munish : @Uttam, macro levels for NF now?
10:37 Munish : Can only see hte levels above 485
10:37 Munish : *the
10:38 Kaustubh : C side
10:38 Shai : All charts back?
10:38 Shai : NF has 2 continuation 0’s
10:39 Shai : 11430 supp as 11485 broken
10:39 Arjun : C side has volume. right ?
10:40 K2dt : 76-101 11500pe done..on that 491 fellow giving up
10:40 K2dt : dt done too
10:41 Aditya09 : 450 pe 57-77
10:41 K2dt : congo Adi
10:41 Aditya09 : same to you bro
10:42 K2dt : 🙂
10:42 Shai : Buy NF abv 11456 sl of 11427 tgt 11490
10:42 Shai : we buy abv 0’s with 11430 supp
10:42 Shai : has volumes and 0’s- (10:39) Arjun : C side has volume. right ?
10:42 K2dt : yes chief 0s at 430
10:43 Shai : 4 IS in a row from 11490
10:43 Sandeep B : So we buy above 11460?
10:44 Shai : (10:42) Shai : Buy NF abv 11456 sl of 11427 tgt 11490
10:44 Shai : can do abv 460 also
10:45 Shai : A quiet open got dumped quickly below 480
10:45 K2dt : yes chief..vol also was slowly creeping up
10:46 Shai : No long yet as we have continuation 0’s in those 2 IS candles
10:46 MJ : @shai feb gap at 11540.
10:46 Shai : okay
10:46 Shai : what range?
10:47 MJ : 11418-11540 rough.
10:48 MJ : We are right in that vaccum.
10:48 MJ : Shared a montly mplite link earlier.
10:48 MJ : https://mplite.vtrender.com/?symbol=NIFTY&tf=monthly_s&tpo=6&ll=&ul=&sp=1&startDate=01-01-2020&endDate=31-03-2020&nDays=64&idstr=&dstr=&rst=1&iam=
10:49 Tejpreet : 2ib done in NF
10:50 Shai : perfect. Thanks
10:50 MJ : 3ib day followed by a chilled open and that feb gap reference. 🙂
10:51 Shai : Ignore that NF buy abv call
10:51 MJ : homework never fails. Thanks for setting these processes for us. @Shai.
10:52 Shai : +1
10:52 Uttam : 11410 crucial in NF
10:52 Uttam : break of that gives a weekly FA
10:53 Shai : 5th IS
11:00 Muralidhar : @MJ it is asking for Login details
11:01 MJ : Yes, Muralidhar. You’d need to create id.
11:01 MJ : one time process.
11:01 Uttam : you need to register with your mail id Murali
11:03 Muralidhar : Okay
11:04 Rohan Wonder : Nifty 11500ce still acting as great wall of china ..
11:04 Shai : Buy 11400 ce at 96-97 sl of 82 tgt 115
11:06 Shai : fresh demand through that IB tillting teh suppply
11:06 Shai : 2nd IB now\
11:07 Uttam : lets take that ext handle out
11:08 Rahul : LTCG news ?
11:09 RiteshM : NITI AYOG HAS MADE A PROPOSAL AND RECOMMENDATION TO FIN MIN TO ABOLISH LTCG TO BOOST LIQUIDITY IN INDIAN MARKETS : SOURCE
11:09 Shai : +1
11:10 Uttam : 11630 for expiry then 😉
11:10 Maxis : TCG?
11:10 Shashidhar : even the short term would help increase the liquidity
11:11 Shashidhar : @Maxis – Long Term Capital Gains
11:12 Maxis : Oh LTCG! i mis-read. TY
11:13 Shashidhar : Intraday traders create lot of liquidity, any help would be huge for traders
11:13 Shai : 11415- 11430 a huge supp zone for this settlement
11:14 Shai : we stay bullishly biased abv this
11:14 MJ : +1 yes chief.
11:14 Shai : will look into PE’s if 11415 breaks
11:14 Shai : 11530 still diff to cross today however
11:14 Shai : 09:09) Shai : 11530 is the higher ref for the day(09:10) Shai : watch for the ability of the market to stay above 11530(09:10) Shai : support now is straong at 11430 and should prevail(0
11:15 Shai : Pre morning view
11:16 Shai : BNF can jump 100 points to 23070 again
11:16 Shai : steady abv 22880 again
11:16 Shai : change of view required if IBL breaks
11:33 K2dt : OF values gone
11:35 Shai : Book the trade at 102 cmp- (11:04) Shai : Buy 11400 ce at 96-97 sl of 82 tgt 115
11:48 Shai : Keep a New buy in NF abv 11486 sl of 11464 tgt 11522
11:49 Shai : came out earlier as I want to avoid this 11465- 11476 zone to trade
11:49 Shai : we should be clear abv 11486 again
11:49 Shai : BNf also lopoking better as a lead mover
11:50 Shai : Abv vwap now and that 23070 on cards
11:52 Santosh : Shai, i read somewhere, since it is end of month, big guys Sell at high in current month and buy at low of next month in futures during roll over.
11:54 Bhavesh : chart stuck
11:55 Santosh : that could be the reason for high and then low then high at end of month.
11:59 Shai : It’s not as simple as that
11:59 Shai : Big guys are on tghe lookout for other big guys also
12:00 Maxis : ya, something like HFT’s prawling on other HFT’s
12:00 Shai : Fii is considered as one entity by most retail, but actually is a group of over 150 plus active traders each withy diff systems and startegies and each multi cr every day
12:01 Maxis : But Chief, aren’t FII’s restricted in Intraday activities?
12:04 Maxis : 483 high yet
12:05 Shai : No
12:05 Shai : 70% of intra day vols are from FII’s
12:06 Maxis : so that rule is for FPI’s only?
12:06 Ankush Jain : 11500 ce is gathering quite a steam
12:06 Shai : people thinki they are swing traders which is a misconception. Check Suyog’s reports
12:06 Shai : only DII’s and MF’s not allowed in derivatives space
12:08 Maxis : i can understand MF not being allowed for that, but if FII’s are allowed, so should the DII’s also be allowed. Flawed policy, imo.
12:09 Maxis : when can we have a webmnar on Dark Pool’s and … GDAX i think u mentioned.
12:11 Maxis : 11486 + buy is valid i believe?
12:20 Shai : yes yes – no need of confusion
12:20 Shai : values do not change intra day
12:20 Shai : have mentioned 11530- 111485- 11430 from open today
12:21 Maxis : appologies for confusion
12:31 Shai : Almost an hourt here – (11:49) Shai : came out earlier as I want to avoid this 11465- 11476 zone to trade
12:33 Shai : 11452 noe a supp
12:43 Sandeep B : Buy above 11486 still valid?
12:43 Ankush Jain : scroll up & u will get the answer
12:43 Sandeep B : I got disconnected and hence don’t have the chats
12:44 Sandeep B : Sorry for asking again
12:52 Vidhyasagar Lingesan : He said its valid
12:52 Vidhyasagar Lingesan : i couldnt copy his reply
12:54 Sandeep B : Thanks
12:55 Sanjib : This is the message: Keep a New buy in NF abv 11486 sl of 11464 tgt 11522
13:06 Krantik Bordoloi : Nf not able to cross Vwap so far
13:06 Uttam : bell in both so far
13:06 Krantik Bordoloi : ya
13:07 Uttam : lets see if we get some movement before H closes
13:08 Uttam : 6 mins left
13:15 Uttam : aa gaya boom boom
13:16 Krantik Bordoloi : yeah!
13:16 Uttam : 2 mins late
13:16 Sandeep B : NF in
13:16 Muralidhar : Yes
13:16 Uttam : 23149 BNF
13:17 Ankush Jain : NF in
13:18 Uttam : 11500ce OI needs some fat reduction
13:18 Uttam : needs to sustain above 55.5
13:19 Shai : NF in
13:19 Uttam : boom boom
13:20 Uttam : 11500ce from 45-55 50% booked
13:20 Uttam : that 50k green at 11430 was the base reason for this
13:20 Uttam : BNFfff
13:23 Rajiv Ohri : Shai Target for NF
13:23 Ravi : 11522
13:24 Uttam : BNF on for 23230?
13:24 Uttam : 0s at 23030 ref on downside now
13:24 Sandeep B : FA in BNF at lows…right?
13:24 Uttam : 72k red at 23120
13:25 Uttam : yes FA in BNF at 23825
13:25 Uttam : 22825*
13:25 Uttam : 22820 was the first h hypo in it
13:27 Uttam : IBH some cute SL looks like
13:36 Rajesh G : test
13:36 Shai : has to hold 7 mins abv vwap
13:39 Rohan Wonder : nifty 11500 wall dragging nifty down
13:44 Shai : Move sl down 6 points to 11458 – (11:48) Shai : Keep a New buy in NF abv 11486 sl of 11464 tgt 11522
13:45 Shai : momemtum lost on that IS
13:45 Shai : however if 11458 holds we may go to 11310 again
13:45 Shai : we close if 11458 breaks
13:45 Uttam : 11510*
13:45 Shai : 11510**
13:45 Shai : thanks
13:46 Uttam : 🙂
13:46 Shai : BNF has nice supp at the 0’s
13:46 Shai : Amd should drive the bus
13:46 Uttam : yes this week it is BNF which is the driver 🙂
13:47 Tejpreet : Looks like Bus getting overcrowded one swipe to off load few passengers 🙂
13:49 Uttam : aur kitne jhatke dilwaoge Tej 😉
13:50 Uttam : topple ho jayega 😉
13:50 Tejpreet : nil positions can wait 🙂 BN is neutral
13:50 Uttam : yes a nice bell
13:51 Uttam : with rejections at both ends for now
13:51 Uttam : one test of 23050-30 coming looks like to smoothen the profile
13:52 Muralidhar : SL
13:52 Shai : NF stooped
13:52 Tejpreet : offloaded 🙂
13:52 Himanshu : Woh – Ghanta Shape ke liye Niche aana banta hai
13:52 Shai : Make exits
13:52 Uttam : 23060
13:53 Uttam : 4 mins – (13:51) Uttam : one test of 23050-30 coming looks like to smoothen the profile
13:53 Uttam : 23027 low
13:53 Himanshu : Tej – Sab se tej – Aaj Tak
13:54 Uttam : (13:24) Uttam : 0s at 23030 ref on downside now
13:55 Uttam : dPOC also here at 23020 in BNF
13:56 Uttam : lot of time left in the day still
13:56 Naresh Dubbudu : Bus is toppled. Now will it go down the hill?
13:57 Uttam : it just skidded to get back on track 😉
13:58 MJ : 446-474 low vol zone from pdprofile.
13:58 MJ : Rough road for bus 🙂
13:58 Uttam : NF making a 2-day bell
13:58 Uttam : and BNF one day
13:58 Uttam : setting up nicely for expiry
13:59 Rohan Wonder : can we see 23500+ on bnf on expiry
13:59 MJ : Curious to see if something happens at 12 pm tomorrow. alert set.
14:00 Sadees : UG, 0sin 23080 will be resistance now?
14:00 K2dt : balanc ebanao yojna before expiry UG
14:01 Sadees : went past 23090 already 🙂
14:01 Prashant : Sadees, those are not at the end of bars, so do not imply support/resistance
14:02 Sadees : ok thanks..
14:02 Uttam : middle of bar 0s do give auction continuation signals
14:03 Uttam : but this was was tested almost immediately
14:03 Uttam : 23107 BNF tagged but unable to stay above those 0s for now
14:03 Sadees : thanks UG
14:03 Uttam : end of bar 0s indicate end of auction guys
14:05 Uttam : BNF wants to fill that cavity at 23010 looks like
14:05 Uttam : done
14:05 Uttam : doom doom
14:06 Uttam : 0s from 23040
14:06 Uttam : 11445 ref in NF
14:07 Uttam : 11500ce making new lows
14:07 Uttam : though NF did not
14:07 Tejpreet : bugger offloaded me also got in next week 10500 ce at 95 part exit at 100 rest tsl gone at 91
14:08 Uttam : BNF has a probable FA at top tpp
14:08 Uttam : too*
14:09 Sandeep B : If BNF goes below 22825 or if it goes below IBL?
14:09 Uttam : IBL
14:09 Sandeep B : ok
14:10 Uttam : its a bell so can keep rotating for naother 30mins before we get that spike time
14:14 Boppanna : 0’s are just 1 of the nuances to use to trigger trades or manage ur SL with the help of VT charts that have learnt form Shai and other seniors here in VT. The whole process of how to read the auction and what the OF shows gains precedence over any other setup which have learnt from Shai and other seniors at VT. Today’s BNF I period was good example of that OF’s importance .and auction behaviour pls do check the reds there when you go back and view the charts later for the new joiners its nice example.
14:15 Munish : Short NF if it breaks 420?
14:16 Sandeep B : I think below 11415 as Shai mentioned earlier that it is a support
14:16 Sandeep B : FA confirmed in BNF also?
14:18 Munish : Alright, thanks
14:20 Naresh Dubbudu : Had a short bias after the 1st dip earlier in the day. Made 5 DT today. Rode NF 11500PE from 80 to 105.
14:22 Arjun : congrats Naresh
14:22 Aditya09 : congo bro
14:22 Sadees : Congrats Naresh
14:24 Sandeep B : What is DT?
14:24 Sunder : whats DT
14:24 Aditya09 : daily target
14:24 Sadees : day’s target
14:24 Sandeep B : k
14:24 Naresh Dubbudu : Thank you Arjun, Aditya & Sadees.
14:28 Uttam : congo N
14:29 Naresh Dubbudu : Thanks UG
14:33 K2dt : congo Naresh.. 5DT is super in a OAIR
14:36 Naresh Dubbudu : Very true K2dt. That makes it the more sweeter. Yesterday was good with drive, Made 2 DT. On a good streak for this week. Thank you,
14:37 Uttam : keep it going Naresh
14:37 Uttam : these kind of days will give you more confidence
14:38 K2dt : +1 bro..more power to u
14:38 Naresh Dubbudu : Absolutely UG. Just wanted to keep making consistent green MTM. Rest will follow. Isnt it?
14:39 Uttam : just follow the process daily and even the green MTM will follow 🙂
14:39 Uttam : bachke kahan jayega
14:39 K2dt : lol UG
14:40 MJ : Congrats Naresh.
14:40 Uttam : BNF at vwap
14:40 Naresh Dubbudu : 🙂
14:40 Uttam : rejection here can give a NeuX
14:40 Uttam : else NeuC will be nice with FAs at both ends
14:40 MJ : UG dpoc close rakho please.
14:42 Ankush Jain : yesterday’s singles of NF res & supp?
14:42 K2dt : kal inventory adjustment dekhne ko mile to mazza aa jaye….not seen since a few weeks due to gaps 🙁
14:44 Uttam : (10:52) Uttam : 11410 crucial in NF(10:52) Uttam : break of that gives a weekly FA
14:44 Uttam : NF low so far 11416
14:44 Shai : neutral day in BNF with a bell curve
14:45 Shai : may clos ehere
14:45 Shai : NF also inside
14:45 MJ : +1 chief.
14:45 Uttam : will be perfect Shai
14:45 MJ : Let’s do this.
14:45 Uttam : nice set up for next 2 days then
14:45 Shai : building to punish writers of one set by thurs
14:45 Ankush Jain : 11500 ce has very big build up
14:45 MJ : #DukanJalaoAbhiyan
14:46 Shai : yes all that 11500 ce writing is below 50
14:46 Shai : 64 is their sl
14:46 Shai : these guys of today look safe
14:47 Shai : problem wioll be for people writing below 30 tom
14:47 K2dt : chief previous day vpoc is thier SL?
14:48 K2dt : i mean yesterday
14:48 Shai : yes
14:48 K2dt : +100
14:48 Himanshu : Mth end expiry so could be volatule
14:49 Himanshu : volatile – Chief any sign on new roll ovwes
14:55 Uttam : looks like 11450 combo will have to be tracked for next 2 days
14:57 Uttam : NF also at vwap
14:57 MJ : adanient on steroids. 25% in a day
14:58 K2dt : jesus
14:58 K2dt : all time high there
14:58 MJ : yes Kushal.
14:58 Maxis : yas going to post just that.
14:59 MJ : dpoc done 🙂
14:59 Maxis : no 2nd circuit of the day currently.
15:01 Uttam : 11500 anyone?
15:02 Aditya09 : na leav it for tomorrow all out
15:04 Ankush Jain : UG u had ur 11500 yesterday
15:05 Uttam : baar baar dekhne ko dil karta hai 😉
15:05 Ankush Jain : 🙂
15:06 Aditya09 : ug price rejected from yest high and A period single print is nt it bearish
15:06 Ankush Jain : It has highest OI
15:08 Uttam : IBL being a hurdle here in NF
15:17 Shai : A good rejection would take price below VAL- (15:06) Aditya09 : ug price rejected from yest high and A period single print is nt it bearish
15:17 Shai : we don;t se ethat today
15:17 Shai : hence sideways and VA overlaps
15:17 Aditya09 : ok got it thanks shai
15:18 Shai : yesterday buying tail at 11314 still intact also
15:18 Shai : 11414**
15:18 Himanshu : Oh yes
15:18 Ankush Jain : we can say taht strong support at yesterday’s singles then?
15:19 Shai : (11:13) Shai : 11415- 11430 a huge supp zone for this settlement(11:14) Shai : will look into PE’s if 11415 breaks(11:14) Shai : 11530 still diff to cross today however
15:19 Shai : maybe one more day of test
15:19 Shai : but doubt whether the profile will hold till thursday
15:20 Shai : one of these 11400 pe or 11500 ce will get cleaned out before thursday
15:20 Ankush Jain : it could be tomorrow?
15:20 Uttam : 11500ce I droppping into the close suprisingly
15:20 Uttam : OI*
15:21 Shai : if open has OTF posisible tom,
15:21 MJ : 8/22/23rd july all these days bnf tried to close above 23150 but rejected.
15:21 Shai : 11415- 11530 still raneg for tom
15:21 Shai : Allow 15 points either side for a quick test of writers
15:22 Ankush Jain : 11400-11550
15:22 MJ : Reds again today at 23150 . Hope there are some crackers in next 2 days.
15:22 MJ : Bye chief. Solid sesh today.
15:23 Aditya09 : thansk cheif bye all
15:24 Uttam : BNF could gap up above that spot swing high of 23211 tom
15:24 Uttam : it that happens can start a new leg up
15:24 Uttam : will be fun for expiry
15:26 Ankush Jain : closing at yesterday’s close
15:26 Uttam : BNF at IBH & NF at IBL
15:27 Shai : close at dpoc
15:28 Shai : OTF at open can make the diff
15:28 Uttam : NeuC in BNF
15:28 Shai : else quite IB
15:28 Uttam : lets get that OTF Shai 😉
15:28 Shai : 🙂
15:28 Shai : Bye all
15:28 Shai : Have a good evening
15:28 Uttam : thanks All 🙂 have a lovely evening
15:28 Tejpreet : Bye All.
15:30 Himanshu : Bye all
15:30 Himanshu : Tom Gap Up – to Chief’s morning leve;