Order Flow charts dated 01st July 2020

Trading Order Flow allows a trader to see the specific price where a trade has hit the market, along with the volume of that trade. This information is extremely valuable and allows a trader to generate substantial revenue by using this information to trade.

The way we see it is that Order Flow trading is a mindset. Well, instead of just looking for technical patterns, Trader should go a step further and think about what other market participants might do.

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Vol Pic2 Nf Order Flow Charts Dated 01St July 2020 Banknifty Futures, Day Trading, Intraday Trading, Intraday Trading Strategies, Nifty Futures, Order Flow Analysis, Support And Resistance, Trading Strategies, Volume Profile Trading


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Vol Pic 2 Bnf Order Flow Charts Dated 01St July 2020 Banknifty Futures, Day Trading, Intraday Trading, Intraday Trading Strategies, Nifty Futures, Order Flow Analysis, Support And Resistance, Trading Strategies, Volume Profile Trading

Room Chat

08:53 Vtrender Live : 30 min charts – https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/817427485
08:54 Vtrender Live : 5 min charts of NF- https://join.me/457-464-897
08:55 Vtrender Live : 5 min charts of BNF, password vtrender- https://zoom.us/j/8647757494?pwd=UVNpR3ZvcnVyUmhEZDhJUVlYNVlkdz09
08:56 Manikandan : Gm all
08:56 Sreedhar : Gm all
08:56 Rahul : Morning everyone
08:59 Saurabh rohatgi : gm all
08:59 Dhananjayan : GM all
09:00 Shai : Gm all
09:00 Giridhar Gowravajhal : GM all !!!
09:00 Bommareddy : GM toALL
09:01 Himanshu : GM all
09:01 Shai : https://vtrender.com/market-profile-analysis-dated-30th-june-2020/
09:01 Avinash : GM Everyone
09:02 Rohan : GM All
09:02 Shai : 10280 ref line for the open along with the OF ref of 10255 where we saw iliiquidity yesterday
09:02 Shai : Not keeping a bullish bias for day till we trade volumes abv 10280 today
09:02 Uttam : Good Morning All πŸ™‚
09:02 Shai : lower down there is abundant buying support near 10170 which is expected to prevail on any dips
09:03 Shai : overall – that balance of the past 4 days to continue
09:03 Chandrashekhar : GM all
09:05 Aditya : Good Morning !!
09:05 Jatin99 : thanks
09:05 NeerajS : Good Morning All.
09:06 Jatin99 : good morniong
09:06 Neeraj : GM all …
09:07 NeerajS : where can i see live market profile charts?
09:07 Uttam : MPLite
09:09 Ravindra : Morning all
09:10 Avinash : Shai, Whats the spedometer on the join me link for
09:10 Tejpreet : GM All.
09:11 Nagaraj : Goodmorning all
09:11 Rajesh G : gm all
09:12 Nirmal : gm all
09:15 Sachith : good morning everyone… happy trading
09:18 Shai : have added a speedometer to track volumes relative to the same time and as an average of the past 3 days – (09:10) Avinash : Shai, Whats the spedometer on the join me link for
09:19 Avinash : Nice Tks
09:19 Shai : this is a realtive volume tracker which shows the volume at a similar time as an average of past 3 days
09:19 Shai : At 75% now, the current vols are 25% less than 3 days at 09.20
09:20 Tejpreet : +100 Shai
09:20 Shai : BNF has a separate 1 also
09:20 Ankush Jain : where can I see that speedometer?
09:20 Himanshu : Pranam Chief
09:20 Chandrashekhar : Awesome shai, thanks for that
09:20 Avinash : Will this always be relative to 3 days or will change as per conposite?
09:20 Shai : 3 days
09:20 Avinash : *composite
09:21 Himanshu : This is becoming – Flying Simulator – Bravo VT Team
09:21 Avinash : K
09:21 Shai : _/\_
09:21 Ketan : +1 shai., superb
09:22 Himanshu : Just on that and 280 Reejction – I covered my puts of BNF – SPread
09:22 Himanshu : Was Short in PE wit hedge
09:23 Himanshu : SO below 50 % is like offical Snooze Hour
09:24 Himanshu : Chief Read about MicroBalance yesterday on main Website. Pl cover that topic on any next schedule you plan on thursday,,
09:25 Shai : k
09:25 Shai : OAIR
09:26 Boppanna : Spot and Future diff reducing as expected
09:26 Shai : 10235- 10290 range ar work
09:30 Himanshu : Cheif this – Sell Vertical line at bottio with 9.32 ( Sell) indicates what @
09:30 Chandrashekhar : @Shai, there’s a red line as well on the 5 min charts…what does it say?
09:36 Shai : Red line indicates they are trying tom sell the market gain like they did yesterday
09:36 Shai : remember at 10338 F yesterday
09:36 Himanshu : Oh yes
09:36 Himanshu : so that’s upper Profit Booking Volume,,
09:36 Shai : 10313 SL from here
09:37 Shai : can short if 10280 breaks- we could get 10242
09:42 Shai : 10300 ce pe is the happeiest. They make 50 points this open
09:42 Shai : https://mplite.vtrender.com/?symbol=O_NIFTY10300PE20200702_NIFTY10300CE20200702&tf=daily&tpo=0.5&ivp=1&hide_mp=1&ll=&ul=&sp=1&startDate=&endDate=&nDays=8&idstr=&dstr=_8&rst=0&iam=
09:43 Uttam : and both are still being written Shai
09:43 Arun null : Hi Guys. joined late. What’s happening
09:43 Uttam : OI rising in both since open
09:44 KK : UG, does RSI has any role in 5 min chart if OI is same , lets say in 10300 CE / PE ?
09:45 Uttam : BNF looking good today
09:45 Uttam : already got some good buying
09:45 Boppanna : +1 Uttam
09:45 Uttam : plus an IB
09:45 Uttam : with 0s
09:45 KK : BNF
09:45 KK : +1
09:45 Shai : ignore this still at cost- (09:36) Shai : 10313 SL from here
09:46 Shai : we review if 10280 breals
09:46 Shai : vol rising in BNF
09:47 Shai : how do I know?
09:47 Shai : speedometer crossed 100 for the bar
09:47 Uttam : overspeeding πŸ˜‰
09:47 Shai : An easy tell to know if vol is adding or going
09:47 Uttam : +1
09:48 Uttam : can we put them in the room charts as well Shai?
09:50 Shai : no space left in room πŸ™‚
09:50 Uttam : πŸ™‚
09:50 Uttam : below those text boxes?
09:50 Uttam : reds in NF could get squeezed out
09:52 Dhananjay : NF 1.4lac
09:52 Dhananjay : red
09:52 Sylvester : Can this be a Open Rejection Reverse Opening?
09:54 Vyom : this large seller could be profit booking?
09:54 Shai : RS in NF
09:54 Uttam : 0s at top too
09:54 Shai : yesterday’s +COT again coming off
09:54 Rajiv Ohri : Shai short here with a tight SL?
09:54 Tejpreet : Shai agree with Vol in any form in this room would be fab:)
09:55 Shai : Intra – short NF 10303 sl of 10330 tgt 10240
09:58 Shai : Exit from the NF at 10317 cmp
09:59 Naresh Dubbudu : We should actually measure our track record in the calls given in this room. We could learn from the same.
10:01 Shai : data is updated and posted on the blog
10:02 Naresh Dubbudu : Thank you Shai.
10:02 Shai : I think it was 30% on conservative and 66% on all aggressive in June
10:02 Shai : If you really want to learn, go to the training Library. You don’t learn from trades or screenshots
10:02 Vishnu : +1
10:03 Favas : shai room chart red is blurred
10:03 Naresh Dubbudu : I humbly disagree. We learn from trades taken a lot. But I will heed to you & leave the discussion here. Thank you Shai.
10:03 Himanshu : Chief – Seems Market wants to test or pass 10340 Supplier on RE
10:04 Chandrashekhar : First IS of the day
10:04 Ketan : @Shai ., relatively big IB forming in bnf., can we have a big day today ?
10:04 Chandrashekhar : still in the formation though
10:05 Himanshu : Yday’ IB – POC level resisted fo rnow
10:07 KK : So bnf bias positive , can we say that for today till it breaks 350..buy on dips ?
10:08 Uttam : BNF also got a RS right near PDH
10:09 Uttam : A period singles though still we are in 4-day comp
10:10 Sylvester : Uttam cant see a RS on BNF
10:10 Shai : Yes BNF looks up for now
10:10 Ketan : thanks Shai.
10:11 Chandu : RB+IB in nf
10:12 KK : NF ka pata nahi
10:12 Sanjib : NF looks set for 10350
10:13 Seshadri : 10300 CE OI 29.4L, PEOI 32.3L,
10:14 Sylvester : @Uttam BNF not showing RS at PDH on chart. Can you shed light where RS is?
10:14 Seshadri : 10400 CEOI 37.5L PE OI 10.6L
10:14 Uttam : @check the POC of the 10:00 bar
10:15 Seshadri : DPOC for nifty has moved up from 10290 to 10308
10:16 KK : I plan to trade only bnf for now, if on long side..Shai supported
10:19 KK : UG, C side 21600 ke paar possible ?
10:20 Uttam : BNF & NF both doing 80% rule in the 4-day composite
10:21 Uttam : https://mplite.vtrender.com/?symbol=BANKNIFTY_E30-07-2020&tf=daily&tpo=24&ll=&ul=&sp=1&startDate=12-06-2020&endDate=&nDays=0&idstr=&dstr=5._1.3.4&rst=0&iam=
10:21 Uttam : https://mplite.vtrender.com/?symbol=NIFTY_E30-07-2020&tf=daily&tpo=6&ll=&ul=&sp=1&startDate=11-06-2020&endDate=&nDays=0&idstr=&dstr=6._1.2.1.4&rst=1&iam=
10:27 Avinash : Shai Can we have the spedometer in the NF chart as well
10:28 Tejpreet : Uttam take us out of this composite !!
10:28 Manish : Hello All. Morning.
10:28 Chandu : uttam v opened in 4 day compo value.., hw 80% rule apply..plz tel me
10:28 Avinash : Ya Uttam too much balance is not healthy…
10:30 Manish : I don’t quite subscribe to the idea of this speedometer. it tends to for a bias in the mind instead of looking for the fineprints in the charts of MP & OF. Just my 2 cents. πŸ™‚
10:30 Uttam : lol guys we needs the LLTs to come in
10:30 Manish : form a bias *
10:31 Uttam : @Chandu – (10:20) Uttam : BNF & NF both doing 80% rule in the 4-day composite
10:31 MJ : UG: small request, if you can post those mplite charts in the channel whenever you are exploring the channel πŸ™‚
10:31 Uttam : NF at vwap
10:31 Avinash : I had hoped PM would invite them
10:31 MJ : the mplite website**
10:32 Uttam : sure MJ
10:33 MJ : will help all of us πŸ™‚ Gracias.
10:34 KK : these reds in BNF could get stuck..
10:34 Rajesh G : yes UG
10:34 KK : they are quite close to 408 where volumes came in B
10:34 Uttam : vwap test done now lets make the RE in D πŸ™‚
10:35 Uttam : BNF taking sup at 21420
10:35 Uttam : RO point 21430
10:35 Boppanna : +1 Uttam BNF doing the right things so far for a bullish bias only thing is to move past PDH and ur FA tgt by EOD
10:35 K2dt : +100 for the speedometer chief
10:35 MJ : Wow I am seeing something on 5 min bnf chart.
10:36 K2dt : banks don’t want to fall today it looks like
10:36 MJ : Chief that speedometer! Super che!
10:37 K2dt : +1 MJ
10:37 Naresh Dubbudu : I see it as a day of discount filling. BNF has bigger discount to fill. Hence the aggressiveness compared to NF.
10:43 K2dt : IS at vwap
10:45 MJ : IB IS bnf nf
10:45 MJ : fight mode
10:46 KK : something changed here..lets see this candle
10:53 Manish : whats the reading on the meter, 101.xx?
10:55 Uttam : stuck reds at 10280
10:55 Manish : buyers at 10280?
10:55 Uttam : 54k & 39k
10:55 Uttam : yes 10280 being defended
10:55 KK : yes
10:55 Uttam : BNF same at 21420
10:56 Manish : OK, am getting the hang of it gradually.
10:56 Uttam : 10300 needs to be taken out
10:57 MJ : Yes UG.
10:58 MJ : And 480 bnf.
10:58 Uttam : 21468
10:59 Uttam : 21480 is a hvn in spot
10:59 Uttam : so above that BN is good
10:59 Uttam : 10300 & 21462 high so fat
10:59 Uttam : far*
11:00 K2dt : snooze day.. last 3 din jaisa ich
11:01 MJ : Some trading doctors here. Happy doctors day to you guys.
11:02 Boppanna : D push Uttam BNF
11:03 K2dt : UG how big a balance r u going to form ?:D
11:05 KK : 59K green will say..I will hold, BNF you go..
11:05 KK : in NF
11:08 MJ : KK dvah dedo yaar jaldi jaldi.
11:12 KK : in bnf coming..
11:12 Chandu : uttam hvns of prevous sessions also imp? or only intrday .., bnf spo hvn is 26th VPOC am i right.., id hvn n vpoc r same?
11:13 Uttam : HVN are high volume nodes & vPOC is point of day’s highest volume so by default all POCs are HVNs
11:16 Rajiv Ohri : UG, clarification. In the join me where does look for the speedometer
11:16 Rajiv Ohri : I am obviously missing it
11:17 Uttam : but when we mark HVNs of a series they are levels where we have high volumes over days of the series
11:19 K2dt : coiling at vwap
11:20 MJ : chalu wapis
11:20 Uttam : it is there on bottom left – (11:16) Rajiv Ohri : UG, clarification. In the join me where does look for the speedometer
11:25 Seshadri : DPOC has moved to 10290
11:26 KK : lijiye
11:26 Uttam : boom boom
11:26 KK : Ho gaya MJ
11:26 MJ : Gracias amigo!
11:26 MJ : abhi aur hai doston.
11:26 Uttam : 21760 coming
11:26 Manish : can we call it an OTD day?
11:26 Shai : short covered
11:27 Shai : And he added back :9
11:27 MJ : πŸ™
11:27 Vishnu : great
11:27 Boppanna : Shai BNF refresh done?
11:28 Vishnu : what he thinks? is he for 10100
11:28 KK : are these NF numbers of BNF numbers in BNF ?
11:28 MJ : IB @vishnu Let the bar complete.
11:28 KK : these are large..probably combined orders
11:28 MJ : Can be someone who booked out.
11:28 Shai : no
11:28 MJ : Fresh ammo chief?
11:28 Shai : thes eguys cover with 100
11:29 Uttam : lets take that 10350 out for good in NF
11:29 KK : 760 please
11:30 Manish : can we call the day as an OTD?
11:30 Uttam : OTD is an open type Manish
11:30 Chandu : v got RE in upside.. with IB ? is it good fr long..,
11:30 Uttam : and open type we need to identify in first 15mins
11:30 Manish : ya sure, so was it so?
11:31 Uttam : and on some rare days it can take 20-25mins
11:31 MJ : Ug agar aapka 760 plan hai toh rakhta hu thoda ces open.
11:31 Uttam : please check the conditions for OTD
11:31 Manish : ok, will check once again. TY!
11:31 Vishnu : as per me its NTZ eithr 350 or 180 taken out i do trades. as OAIR need to save emotional capital . and we are seeing same guy comes frequently at 10305-10330 range.
11:32 Chandu : but 10350 OF ref is ter as obstacle.., is tat right uttam/
11:32 Vishnu : chandu thats why ug said 350 take out with good vol
11:33 Chandu : s vishnu., v hav to wait till tat breaks fr long
11:34 Himanshu : BNF broken Yday range – and May be BNF needs to lead for NF also to follow
11:35 Manish : its 350? and not 365?
11:35 MJ : Yes ug.
11:37 MJ : 5 rows of 0 in bnf.
11:39 Manish : so much data to workout for a begniner. Thankfully am in the room.
11:39 Uttam : NF Ces did not make new hgihs
11:39 Uttam : time to repair it
11:40 Uttam : 10300ce needs to get above 105 fpr more upside
11:40 Uttam : yesterday’s writers will also feel the heat then
11:40 Uttam : je baat
11:41 Uttam : lets go
11:41 Uttam : F needs to make new highs
11:41 Shai : yes
11:41 Shai : BNF driving this nicely today
11:41 MJ : Yes bossman.
11:41 Shai : vol expansion in BNF
11:41 Shai : tgts 21740/ 21870 with sl below vwap
11:41 Himanshu : HDFC bank Spot – Driver
11:41 Uttam : dod look good in the mornign itself – (09:45) Uttam : BNF looking good today(09:45) Uttam : already got some good buying
11:42 Himanshu : Broken previous range,,
11:43 Himanshu : Chief – this Speedo meter is actully Powerful Fog lamp
11:44 Shai : 10305 supp in nNF
11:44 Shai : if it takes out this seller runs higher
11:44 Shai : yes it is- (11:43) Himanshu : Chief – this Speedo meter is actully Powerful Fog lamp
11:45 Shai : see the diff in BNF and NF volumes – Volumes precede Price
11:45 Shai : BNF vols are 20% higher hence moving better
11:45 Shai : NF is 10% lower
11:45 Nagaraj : +1 Shai
11:45 Uttam : let us get some vols in F in NF
11:46 Himanshu : For NF volume – Contact Presenter & Vishnu
11:47 Himanshu : JIT + Tej + Bopp + UG on BNF accelerator already
11:47 Jitender : done labour H
11:47 Jitender : now just on watch mode..till 2nd half most probab
11:48 Jitender : so others will drive it πŸ™‚
11:48 Himanshu : Zerodha price ticks are hanging is also sign of .. Volume expansipon
11:48 Himanshu : Congrates Jit –
11:49 Jitender : their prop stops on writing wud hv been hit
11:49 Jitender : tx bro
11:49 K2dt : congrats Jit
11:49 K2dt : how many trades so far?
11:49 Jitender : 3
11:50 MJ : jit bnf pivot?
11:50 K2dt : super Jit
11:50 Jitender : 350-450-540-711
11:50 Jitender : MJ
11:50 MJ : Thank you.
11:50 Jitender : tx K
11:50 Uttam : BNF to make new highs first? 21650 ko nikaalo
11:51 Avinash : +1 Jit
11:51 Manish : @ Him “Zerodha …”, thats quite an observation, +5
11:51 Uttam : 21560 is the ext handle of today as of now
11:51 Jitender : chck 21.8ce…do u see OI increase in last 10mins ?
11:51 Jitender : @UG
11:52 Uttam : checking Jit
11:53 Rajesh G : it flat jit
11:53 Uttam : big drop in 21800ce Jit
11:53 Uttam : from above 3L fell to 2.5
11:53 Uttam : now small increase
11:53 Uttam : back to 2.6L
11:54 Uttam : looks like NF wants to win this race
11:54 Uttam : of making new hgih in F
11:54 Jitender : if mkt has topped…here fr expiry tey will write it…else 711+ is probab
11:54 Himanshu : There was spike in 21800 CE but then sold off
11:55 Jitender : tx UG, rajesh & H
11:56 Uttam : getting there – (11:54) Uttam : looks like NF wants to win this race
11:57 MJ : ce high not yet. Nice observation that @Ug
11:57 Shai : NF 10315 sl for 10350
11:57 Shai : 10360*
11:58 Shai : new greems adding
11:58 Uttam : NF new highs
12:01 Himanshu : Today We have to see BNF for NF
12:01 Himanshu : if BNF ditches, with higher volume – NF Spot to will go for toss
12:01 Neeraj : HDFC bank zooming like anything
12:03 MJ : Himanshu remember that hdfcbank chat? πŸ™‚
12:04 Uttam : ab BNF ki baari?
12:04 Vishnu : aminto sell 10300 weekly to eat premium
12:05 Shai : 10250 is safer
12:05 Shai : 10280 is now a supp on any sharp afternoon dips
12:06 Shai : 10277*
12:06 Himanshu : Yes
12:06 NeerajS : so we should buy any dips towards 10277?
12:06 Himanshu : @MJ
12:06 Uttam : je baat – (12:04) Uttam : ab BNF ki baari?
12:06 Shai : for now yes
12:06 Himanshu : HDFC bank is zooming
12:06 Uttam : lets get that 21760 now
12:06 Himanshu : Jit – is driving maruti down – counter balancing ,,
12:06 Shai : (09:02) Shai : 10280 ref line for the open along with the OF ref of 10255 where we saw iliiquidity yesterday(
12:06 Himanshu : NF needs Maruti also
12:07 Uttam : 10300ce not yet seeing any unwinding
12:07 Uttam : lets have some fun there
12:07 Vishnu : he came again
12:08 Uttam : 10300ce still not made new highs
12:08 Uttam : 109 was morning high
12:08 Uttam : now it crosses
12:08 Tejpreet : These sellers need to be taken out ….this *403* is standing out in Uttam’s hypos πŸ™‚
12:10 MJ : dhi in 10400 ce should take care of that.
12:10 Rajesh G : jit your observation of bnf calls superb
12:10 Uttam : now OI starting to drop in 10300ce
12:10 Uttam : keep it going
12:11 Chandu : oi dropping price inncreasing means writers r gng out
12:11 Chandu : am i right uttam
12:11 Jitender : tx Rajesh…just try to do my bit to help
12:12 Shai : book out- (11:57) Shai : NF 10315 sl for 10350
12:12 Himanshu : UG – BNF extension of previous selling tail – 21711
12:13 Himanshu : I guess,.. BNF spot ressiting at previous swing high,,
12:13 MJ : 10400 ce 4.1M to 3.77M
12:13 MJ : oi dip
12:13 Himanshu : Today Kotak Has been thrown from cliff
12:14 MJ : Rotation himanshu. Yest axis today kotak.
12:14 Jitender : 711 touchdwn
12:14 MJ : Thanks Jit πŸ™‚
12:14 Uttam : 10300ce from 105 to 120.3
12:14 Uttam : 50% out
12:14 MJ : 21700 ces booking time.
12:14 Jitender : congo UG
12:15 Vishnu : +1 ug
12:15 Avinash : +1 UG
12:16 Chandu : shai v r getting IB , but any reason fr exit is tat -ve COT
12:16 Uttam : big reds in OF Chandu
12:17 Uttam : 2 COTs of -1L
12:17 Uttam : these could be bookings but better to be safe
12:17 Chandrashekhar : +1 Uttam
12:18 Shai : yes profit booking into higher prices
12:18 Shai : one IS will spark a dip for them to come back into longs
12:19 Uttam : BNF not yet tagged that 21760?
12:19 Uttam : why this kolaveri?
12:20 Tejpreet : No more kolaveri Uttam Anuj baba says is a trend day today !!
12:21 Govind : waiting for the hammer may be
12:21 Uttam : lol BNF showed that to us in the morning itself πŸ˜‰
12:21 MJ : 10400 ce 57 – 68 part booked.
12:22 KK : 10300 CE from 119 to 128 on that dip post 350..keep giving dips..
12:23 Tejpreet : Utttam we have tools to see that Anuj doesn’t πŸ™‚
12:23 Uttam : yes Tej πŸ™‚
12:25 Uttam : Nifty Spot needs to get above 10410
12:25 Uttam : yesterday it hit 10401
12:25 Uttam : todsay so far 10407
12:25 KK : Suyog, what’s the meaning of “=” in RIL at 1731 ?
12:26 Uttam : take your cursor over it
12:26 Uttam : will show the details
12:26 MJ : jit oi rise again slight one in 21800
12:26 MJ : ce
12:26 Uttam : it gives the TPO col & vwap
12:26 Uttam : vols*
12:27 KK : Is it a Mac chrome issue, the cursor never shows the comment
12:27 KK : thanks
12:27 Uttam : Suyog has done all development on Mac so it should be showing
12:27 Uttam : try SAfari
12:28 KK : Bnf is tired , will dip to bring volumes again ?
12:29 Shai : these reds in NF want an honouarbale exit. me thinks they hold at 10382 sl anc close if they get 10305
12:29 KK : will see RIL behaviour around 1725.
12:30 Shai : honorable*
12:30 KK : guessed so πŸ™‚
12:30 Jitender : 100 dwn from 711 (11:50) Jitender : 350-450-540-711
12:30 Shai : My school teacher would look at my spellings and disown me
12:30 RiteshM : HA HA HA
12:30 Shai : +1 Jit
12:30 Abhishek : :0
12:30 Jitender : m ahead in class on tat count Shai πŸ™‚
12:30 MJ : +100 jit.
12:30 Avinash : lol
12:30 Abhishek : lol
12:30 RiteshM : then u giot cot by your teacher
12:31 Parul : Yes, she would first ask you to spell your name as “Shy”
12:31 Uttam : lol Shai – (12:30) Shai : My school teacher would look at my spellings and disown me
12:31 Ketan : +1 jit
12:31 Rajiv Ohri : HA HA but you guys get the trades right
12:31 Jitender : +1 guys
12:31 NeerajS : if its a trend day shouldnt we be closiing at or near days high?
12:31 KK : Ab NF ki baaari to lead
12:31 Chandu : kk wat u r looking in ril at 1725 level
12:32 KK : it crossed open
12:32 KK : so might not go back
12:32 KK : so 403, if held
12:32 Uttam : BNF has not finished
12:32 KK : just a theory, please follow the Shai, UG and JIt, Bops, TP
12:32 Uttam : ext handle of 21560 holding
12:33 KK : I will keep trading long NF on dips till RIL goes back below 1725
12:33 Manish : @Parul, what makes u think the teacher was a SHE?
12:33 Chandu : in nf it is 10340 am i right? extension handle
12:34 Uttam : yes
12:35 Uttam : come on BNF you have lot of work to do
12:35 KK : One more trip 121 to 128 booked, will stay in if mukesh bhai keeps it above 1740
12:36 KK : 10300 CE.
12:39 MJ : Lagey raho KK.
12:39 MJ : Cheers.
12:42 KK : Bops time is coming..
12:44 Uttam : boom boom
12:44 MJ : El classico by uG.
12:45 Uttam : 21760 done
12:45 Boppanna : Uttam’s Fa tgt here
12:45 KK : come on 404
12:45 Uttam : 21500ce from 411 to 464
12:45 Uttam : 21888 next
12:45 Uttam : (12:32) Uttam : BNF has not finished(12:35) Uttam : come on BNF you have lot of work to do
12:45 Tejpreet : Uttam with you bn 22k ce 820 to 880
12:46 Uttam : super Tej πŸ™‚ congrats
12:46 Boppanna : +1 Tej
12:46 Tejpreet : same to you
12:46 MJ : 21700 ce 284 – 323
12:46 Tejpreet : tks bops
12:46 MJ : Cheers all.
12:46 Boppanna : +1 Uttam
12:46 Chandu : shai is tis IB also prft booking ?
12:46 MJ : TP Ug nice ones.
12:47 Tejpreet : +1 MJ
12:47 Uttam : NF for 10403
12:47 Uttam : looks how that 10300ce above 105 is booming
12:47 Uttam : 148 now
12:47 MJ : 10400 ce dukaan bohot gir rahi hai.
12:47 Uttam : OI down from 32L to 22L
12:47 MJ : yes ug
12:48 Uttam : (12:07) Uttam : 10300ce not yet seeing any unwinding(12:07) Uttam : lets have some fun there(12:10) Uttam : now OI starting to drop in 10300ce(12:10) Uttam : keep it going
12:49 Uttam : a) NF needs to stay above 10260 for a rise to 10284-290 / 10320 / 10343-374 / 10395-*403* & 10435-460
12:49 Uttam : 10394.5
12:49 Uttam : a) BNF needs to sustain above 21265 for a rise to 21320-414 / 21480-498 / 21550-606 / 21690-760* / 21839-888 & 21965-980
12:49 Uttam : 21770
12:49 Ketan : +1 uttam
12:49 Uttam : still more to come though
12:50 Uttam : Bops full force hammer looks like
12:50 MJ : Bopps has hammer with kneels looks like πŸ™‚
12:51 Uttam : Nifty spot for 10460
12:51 KK : 10300 CE from 133 to 150
12:51 Boppanna : all out Uttam will by the dip
12:51 Boppanna : *buy
12:51 Uttam : yes Bops I am all out too
12:51 Uttam : done – (12:47) Uttam : NF for 10403
12:52 MJ : 10400 ce all out 82
12:52 Uttam : that 30k stuck red in BNF at 21640 was a nice signal
12:52 MJ : 57 82
12:53 KK : Ab dedo dip for 10370
12:53 Uttam : remember this – (10:09) Uttam : A period singles though still we are in 4-day comp
12:54 Uttam : the initiative tail in IB helped to move out from that composite
12:54 Favas : ug ref for bnf?
12:54 Uttam : check the charts now
12:54 Favas : intra
12:55 Avinash : +1 UG
12:55 Uttam : good start to the month of July πŸ™‚
12:55 KK : banks are so excited.. fudging all the nos. this quarter..provisioning is more art than science..december mein pata lagega kitna garbage leke baithe hain..
12:55 MJ : Tagged POC of 24/6
12:56 MJ : vwap**
12:56 Uttam : premium just 25 now in NF
12:57 Uttam : 10400ce wrtiers now to face the heat?
13:00 Uttam : upside 21839-88 & 21965-980
13:00 Uttam : 2 IB done in NF
13:02 Vishnu : did dt after two days griding
13:03 Vishnu : as in short 10.3 combo but jit told to be careful so i bought double the qty of 10.4 ce buy . all covered with dt
13:03 KK : congo Vishnu
13:03 Chandu : uttam these A period singles acts as support in future?
13:03 MJ : Congrats V,
13:04 Avinash : +1 Vishnu
13:07 Uttam : yes Chandu
13:08 Vishnu : pul back time ug?
13:12 KK : aa gaye 54K
13:15 KK : it became 63 now.
13:18 Shai : pullback have been small alll day
13:19 Shai : this one has supp now at 10360
13:19 Shai : if it holds it we pick steam for one final dash at clsoe
13:21 KK : One 5 min dash is due now also
13:21 MJ : 10488 3ib
13:21 Uttam : 10475 possible then tody Shai?
13:22 Uttam : 10527 spot is a vpoc lets see where we are headed at close
13:22 MJ : Kardo kardo.
13:22 Shai : 10475 diable
13:22 MJ : t+5 no today?
13:22 MJ : since FA.
13:22 Uttam : thanks Shai, lets do it
13:23 Shai : big guys are still short, small guys adding longs – one dip to 10310 would have been nicer and smoother earlier
13:28 Shai : IB
13:28 Uttam : boom boom
13:28 Shai : 10445 in it
13:28 KK : bnf kya kar raha hai
13:28 Uttam : told you guys it has lot of work to do today
13:28 Uttam : 21888
13:28 Tejpreet : Marching away …just need to keep away hands from f2 key πŸ™‚
13:29 Giridhar Gowravajhal : Super trade it was UG !
13:29 Uttam : 21880
13:30 MJ : TP 100% agree to that.
13:31 Shai : +1
13:31 Shai : calls are not jumping anaymore
13:31 Sreedhar : Implications Shai?
13:32 Shai : Short covering
13:32 Shai : 2 shorts from 12.30 -12.40 covered in the IB
13:33 Sreedhar : Thanks Shai
13:33 Shai : some more left , hence 10445 douable now with sl of 10357
13:34 Uttam : BNF going for 2 IB now
13:34 Uttam : 21934
13:34 Himanshu : done 2 IB
13:34 Himanshu : now
13:36 Shai : 144 in Mumbai again
13:36 Shai : must have been a larger than avg spike yesterday
13:38 MJ : Yes chief.
13:39 MJ : I have a friend who handles Corp comms for One of these private labs.
13:40 MJ : She’s like if mumbai doesn’t go for a strong lockdown. Scenes are too bad.
13:43 MJ : 228 pt contri by hdfcbank today.
13:46 K2dt : upmove done for the day chief?
13:46 Jitender : DH done
13:47 Jitender : so play cautiously
13:47 Jitender : BMC news got PB
13:47 K2dt : +1 Jit
13:49 Shai : 10357 trailing if ant in longs- avoid it it breaks
13:50 Chandu : 2 IS in bnf after rs , Cot is also good uttam
13:51 Uttam : we are trending up so will have lot of bookings
13:51 Uttam : plus late longs SL
13:51 Uttam : so take COT in ocntext of day
13:53 Uttam : pull back done?
13:55 Govind : supply diminishing looks like UG
13:55 Govind : in BNF
13:55 Shai : Abv 10391 go back to 10444
13:57 Tejpreet : +1
13:57 Parul : Shai when you say above 10391, what should be SL here ?
13:58 Manish : swing low?
13:58 Uttam : SL = stop loss
13:58 Manish : i mean the Sl should be swing low, … + buffer.
13:59 Manish : i meant the Stop Loss should be the Swing Low, … + buffer.
13:59 Shai : same as 10357
13:59 Parul : ok
14:01 Uttam : looks like market waiting for the K period for the final assault
14:02 Vishnu : almost 1.5 dt now
14:02 Govind : good call about the PB, Uttam πŸ™‚
14:02 Parul : Congo Vishnu !
14:02 Uttam : but now get new hgihs Gov πŸ˜‰
14:02 Govind : up 150 pts from lows now
14:02 Govind : Vishnu is buying I think, so we will get there πŸ™‚
14:03 Uttam : lol
14:04 Tejpreet : Jit sir score
14:04 Vishnu : 1.6
14:04 Tejpreet : +1 Vishnu
14:05 Vishnu : tp u have 3 above ?
14:05 MJ : 10400 ce mein aur log hai. nikalo unhe.
14:06 Tejpreet : Vishnu 4 plus and have brought the dip so let’s see what Uttam gives .
14:08 Govind : Congo Tej and Vishnu
14:10 Aditya : @shai, one question, been observing the 30-min chart of NF, all COT are -ve despite the strong move up. Is there anything to takeaway from this ?
14:10 Tejpreet : Tks Gov
14:11 Uttam : K period about to start
14:14 Uttam : lets get those new highs now
14:14 Uttam : bam bam bhole
14:16 Govind : almost there Uttam
14:16 Uttam : want more πŸ˜‰
14:16 Govind : Killa period should give, let’s see
14:16 Shai : Cot is to watched only in 5 mins – (14:10) Aditya : @shai, one question, been observing the 30-min chart of NF, all COT are -ve despite the strong move up. Is there anything to takeaway from this ?
14:19 Vishnu : congo tp and thnks gov
14:21 Uttam : K not making new hihghs
14:21 Jitender : (13:46) Jitender : DH done
14:22 Tejpreet : Now we know why K not making NH πŸ™‚
14:22 Uttam : time is there
14:22 Uttam : new highs very much possible
14:22 Aditya : 10410 seems like a seller with intention
14:22 Govind : Jit standing there with a bat πŸ™‚
14:22 Tejpreet : position is also there Uttam πŸ™‚
14:22 Uttam : the big players are adjusting their inventory looks like as Shai said
14:23 Jitender : just watch
14:23 Uttam : there were still mainly short
14:23 Jitender : watchn
14:23 Jitender : no positions
14:23 Uttam : lol Tej
14:23 Tejpreet : +1 Jit
14:23 Shai : yes
14:23 Uttam : Spot just 10 points away from new highs
14:23 Shai : Place orders to close NF longs at 10410
14:24 Govind : 22k put writing is now above CE
14:24 Uttam : dPOC should shift higher in NF
14:24 Uttam : 10395
14:25 Shai : diff
14:26 Shai : unless you keep it at 10395 for 20 mins
14:26 Uttam : one LLT here will do it Shai πŸ˜‰
14:26 Vishnu : 2 dt done and fully out
14:26 Vishnu : ug who tht LLt
14:26 Vishnu : jit sleeping
14:26 Avinash : Shai whats your view for larger trend?
14:28 MJ : Super raid left in 10400 ce oi
14:28 Bhavani : VIshnu, UG mentioned only you as LLT.., but you booked already and came out with 2DT.. πŸ™‚
14:28 Vishnu : hi bhavani
14:28 Vishnu : u wr not active these days?
14:28 Santosh : how many LLT’s are in the room
14:28 Bhavani : Yes.. busy with some other work.. but logging in and trading minimum
14:29 Uttam : @Bhavani Visnu has booked only in 1 of his accounts, his other 9-10 accounts positions still on πŸ˜‰
14:29 Santosh : looks all of these volumes coming from within the room πŸ˜›
14:29 Vishnu : :))) ug
14:29 Bhavani : πŸ™‚ UG
14:29 Shai : 10240 has beomce a good base now- (14:26) Avinash : Shai whats your view for larger trend?
14:30 Shai : on higher side iyt cannot cross 10550 with this COT next 1 week
14:30 Avinash : Thank you
14:31 Jitender : view invalidated if 810 holds up
14:31 Jitender : (14:21) Jitender : (13:46) Jitender : DH done
14:32 Vishnu : jit planning to lauch rocket un banknifty?
14:32 Tejpreet : Jit will not stop till i quit my tsl 375 is in system !!
14:32 Vishnu : in
14:32 Jitender : cheers Tej
14:33 Tejpreet : cheers
14:34 Uttam : BN spot new highs
14:34 Govind : futures as well
14:34 Uttam : Nifty spot to follow next?
14:34 Uttam : lets get that finall boom boom for the day
14:34 Uttam : +1 Gov
14:35 Uttam : 44k red?
14:35 Govind : yeah
14:35 MJ : 1 hr full remaining.
14:35 Uttam : not full MJ
14:35 Vishnu : still 2 ib not did fut ug bnf?
14:35 Uttam : 4 mins over πŸ˜‰
14:35 Vishnu : :)))
14:36 MJ : πŸ™‚
14:36 Uttam : 10410 spot needs to hold in Nifty
14:36 Uttam : if goes then probably DH done
14:36 Govind : BNF around the PW POC level Uttam
14:37 Uttam : HIJK done one bell at top in NF
14:37 Uttam : Hijaking NF
14:37 Govind : πŸ™‚
14:37 Uttam : 10375-10410
14:38 Uttam : L kya guL khilayega
14:38 Uttam : 6 mins to go
14:38 Shai : one TF stopped
14:39 Shai : 10409 was the last high
14:39 Shai : take next set of longs only when it is crossed
14:39 Uttam : +1 Shai
14:39 Uttam : waiting
14:40 Vyom : Shai one TF stopped means?
14:40 Uttam : one time frame
14:40 Uttam : higher highs and hihger lows
14:40 Uttam : on 30mins
14:40 Govind : nice greens
14:41 Vyom : ok
14:41 Uttam : L looking to get out of the hijack mode
14:41 Uttam : lets see which side it breaks out from
14:41 Uttam : 10410 ot 10375
14:42 Uttam : or*
14:42 Uttam : 10395-400 vols building πŸ™‚
14:46 Vishnu : ug dpoc shift will happen ?. as we here for more than 20 min
14:47 Shai : can happen
14:47 Shai : has become a DD now
14:48 Jitender : came down πŸ™‚
14:49 Tejpreet : πŸ˜‰
14:49 Jitender : 810 key
14:49 Vishnu : _/\_
14:49 Uttam : 10374.8 low so far – (14:37) Uttam : 10375-10410
14:49 Shai : 10370 supp for L
14:50 Shai : can do 10410 again sl of 10369
14:50 Uttam : L also joining the hijack gang
14:51 Uttam : tested lower side
14:51 Jitender : Tej want 22250 πŸ™‚
14:51 Uttam : now for upside test?
14:53 Tejpreet : but technically Jit wins i said 375 tsl low is 374.75 …Jit’s algo are precise πŸ™‚
14:53 Jitender : πŸ™‚
14:53 Jitender : come on bnf
14:53 Jitender : give VT a bang
14:53 Tejpreet : +1
14:54 MJ : 1505 Jit?
14:54 MJ : πŸ™‚
14:55 Jitender : yh last 8 mins
14:55 MJ : Classic day
14:56 MJ : 14:51 oi dip in 10400 ce
14:56 Uttam : (14:51) Uttam : tested lower side(14:51) Uttam : now for upside test?
14:56 Uttam : 10374.8 and now 10405 so far
14:56 Shai : 10404 book- (14:50) Shai : can do 10410 again sl of 10369
14:57 Shai : +1UG
14:57 Uttam : dPOC shifted Shai?
14:57 Shai : easy move
14:57 MJ : 3 SD 10400 ce at 100. Can we do that?
14:57 Govind : KOtak blasting
14:57 Uttam : now lets get one more new high
14:57 Uttam : boom boom
14:57 Uttam : je baat
14:57 Govind : major PE unwinding in 22k strike too
14:57 Uttam : BNF 21938
14:57 Uttam : 2 IB
14:57 Uttam : time for new hgihs in NF too?
14:58 Uttam : 1.2L COT
14:58 Jitender : wakao (14:49) Jitender : 810 key
14:59 MJ : Jit thanks a lot.
14:59 Uttam : BNF bounced from 21778
14:59 MJ : all those bnf nos.
14:59 Jitender : (14:55) Jitender : yh last 8 mins
14:59 Jitender : had fun
14:59 Vyom : NF can do 445?
14:59 MJ : f1 f2
14:59 MJ : kia πŸ™‚
15:00 Shai : Avoid- (14:59) Vyom : NF can do 445?
15:01 Shai : we are booked at 10405
15:01 Vyom : ok Shai thanks
15:01 Uttam : New highs in NF too – day is not over till it is over πŸ™‚
15:02 Uttam : yeh hui na baat
15:02 Tejpreet : Uttam is unstoppable +100
15:02 Uttam : _/\_
15:02 MJ : ce mein bhi dedo ug
15:02 MJ : 10400 ce
15:02 Govind : 22 points to 22k Uttam
15:02 Shai : +1
15:03 Uttam : BNF does a neat move in this hypo – a) BNF needs to sustain above 21265 for a rise to 21320-414 / 21480-498 / 21550-606 / 21690-760* / 21839-888 & 21965-980
15:03 Uttam : 21978
15:03 Govind : +100
15:03 Nirmal null : in morng we said oair but mkt blasti ng
15:03 Uttam : BNF had a lot of work to do & it did a good job
15:04 Nirmal null : not getting anything need a good mentor i can pay, to learn
15:04 Shai : OAIR is open type no?
15:04 Uttam : @Nirmal OAIR is just the open type
15:04 Shai : day type is DD
15:05 Uttam : we have set ups post that
15:05 Uttam : and we have been tredning
15:05 MJ : Shai thank you for this wonderful platform.
15:05 Uttam : moving away from 4-day Value
15:05 MJ : Great start to this month.
15:05 Shai : why so much confusion when everything is cleanly explained??
15:05 Nirmal null : bhai i dont know…. i m dumbo i think
15:06 Govind : How long have u been here NIrmal?
15:06 Tejpreet : Shai monthly ce worth a hold or book out all into the close
15:06 Shai : book
15:06 Tejpreet : tks
15:06 Nirmal null : 3days all in loss
15:06 Nirmal null : bye
15:07 Manish : i think the right Q is “How long in the markets?”
15:07 Uttam : @Nirmal that is because you are more bothered about trades & not the process
15:07 Vishnu : pefect ug
15:07 Uttam : you need to help yourself first before anyone else can
15:07 Govind : Yes, you need to give this time. Just follow the process and trade only SHai’s calls
15:08 Uttam : Spot needs to make a token new high too
15:08 Uttam : Nifty?
15:08 Uttam : 10460 was my objective for today
15:08 Uttam : can it do it?
15:08 MJ : with you UG.
15:09 MJ : 10449.95 close?
15:09 MJ : πŸ˜€
15:09 Govind : come on, 6 more points to 22k
15:09 Vishnu : many have joined here that one day or in one week u can make it and make huge money. its not correct. anything to get u give something. here u need to learn first . the process will make the money . sytmatic study and simplification mkae u master in that. JIT shai Ug are not born as master. they given time for that.
15:10 Govind : DOne baby
15:10 Uttam : well done Gov +100
15:10 Jitender : Tej given u 200 bps
15:10 Jitender : in 15 mins
15:10 Govind : THanks UG, just watching and no trades
15:10 Tejpreet : took 60 of them , tks Jit
15:10 Vishnu : +1 gov
15:11 Jitender : +1 Tej
15:11 Vishnu : +1 tp
15:11 Tejpreet : tks guys
15:11 MJ : Team VT! kudos to everyone!
15:13 Govind : Bye all, see you tomorrow and congo to all in green.
15:13 Uttam : 10392 would be the level to watch tom Shai?
15:14 Govind : UG, profile fill needed tomorrow?
15:14 Uttam : below 10392 yes
15:14 Uttam : above today high can extend this imbalance
15:14 Govind : and in BNF?
15:14 Uttam : dPOC at 21840
15:14 Govind : ok
15:15 Govind : thanks buddy
15:15 Govind : Ciao
15:15 Uttam : +1 cya
15:16 Vishnu : bye all
15:16 Vishnu : take care
15:17 Himanshu : UG – Any thing worth carrying for BNF mth ly
15:17 Himanshu : PE or CE
15:17 Tejpreet : Nirmal take your time look within yourself what kind of traits you have….sharpen the skills to suit them. Shai is cool and calm mentor , Jit has mastered BN levels , Uttam is our Eagle eyes (looks out everything ) , Bops is rock solid in following levels like robot …plenty of other guys like vishnu , gov and others are learning fast. Forgot the losses and be glad that you are in a place where you can rectify them fast.
15:17 Tejpreet : Sorry for the long rant πŸ™‚
15:18 Himanshu : Tej + 100
15:18 Amit Jain : +100 tej
15:18 Manikandan : +100 Tej
15:18 MJ : Nice note TP.
15:18 Manish : the meter is this BNF chart is 115.84 and the zoom BNF chart is 121.285
15:18 Favas : +1 tej
15:19 KK : DAX 12360 high to 12250
15:19 Uttam : dPOC finally showing at 10400 in NF
15:19 Uttam : close at dPOC
15:19 Arun null : anything worth carrying for tomorrow
15:19 Uttam : lets see if we can get a spring and jump from here tom
15:20 Uttam : better to trade off the open Arun
15:20 Arun null : OK.. Thanks
15:21 Uttam : discount down to 15 points now in NF
15:21 Uttam : Shai did mention this yesterday
15:21 Manish : 10400 dot.
15:23 Boppanna : A quiet morning and good tradeble expiry would be nice tomorrow
15:23 Shai : yes a minor interference is there , will get it fixed post close- (15:18) Manish : the meter is this BNF chart is 115.84 and the zoom BNF chart is 121.285
15:24 Sachith : bye everyone
15:24 Shai : 17.24/ 16.43/ 15.37 million were the last 3 days of volume in NF against 16.45 today
15:24 Manish : there are some other suggestion for the hcart features. which channel of Slack can i i ping you
15:25 Ankush Jain : No speedometer for nifty ??
15:25 Shai : on par with avg of 101.7
15:25 Shai : BNF is 20% higher
15:25 Shai : was 20% higher right off the open indicating the move to come
15:26 Uttam : +1
15:27 Rajesh G : shai can we carry long today
15:27 Manish : @ Shai : u mean the open vols of today was 20% higher than avg open vol?
15:27 Shai : Speedometer- It is a hiigher volume indicator relative to past 3 days of flow
15:28 Shai : so it measures every min trading volume of now against an avg trading vol of 3 days back same time
15:28 Manish : ok
15:28 Shai : yes- (15:27) Manish : @ Shai : u mean the open vols of today was 20% higher than avg open vol?
15:28 Avinash : Can we have this in the NF charts as well. In the room
15:28 Shai : this is relative volume at same time of day . so a 12.00 clock is compared to a 12.00 and not 3.00 pm
15:29 Tejpreet : Bye All.
15:29 Shai : will add Avinash
15:29 Shai : Bye all
15:29 Avinash : Ty
15:29 Amit Jain : bye all
15:29 Uttam : thanks All πŸ™‚ have a lovely evening
15:29 Shai : Have a good evening
15:29 Boppanna : Bye and Thanks Shai for your inputs
15:29 Saurabh rohatgi : bye all
15:29 Manish : and its interval is? every min or 5 mins?
15:29 Avinash : Bye everyone.
15:29 Sreedhar : BYe all ..
15:29 Giridhar Gowravajhal : Thanks Shai & UG . bye all !!!
15:29 Shai : same as bar period – (15:29) Manish : and its interval is? every min or 5 mins?
15:29 Shai : in this case 5 mins
15:30 Sreedhar : Thank you Shai UG
15:30 Manish : ok. TY!
15:30 Manish : catch tom.
15:33 Himanshu : Bye all
15:33 Himanshu : Thx Chief – UG – Jit – tej – MJ- Gov
15:33 Himanshu : and all New Mates – Libraray time
15:45 Aditya : bye have a good evening all


09:03 Shai : (09:02) Shai : 10280 ref line for the open along with the OF ref of 10255 where we saw iliiquidity yesterday(09:02) Shai : Not keeping a bullish bias for day till we trade volumes abv 10280 today(09:02) Shai : lower down there is abundant buying support near 10170 which is expected to prevail on any dips(09:03) Shai : overall – that balance of the past 4 days to continue
09:07 Uttam : a) NF needs to stay above 10260 for a rise to 10284-290 / 10320 / 10343-374 / 10395-*403* & 10435-460
09:07 Uttam : b) The auction below 10237 can test lower levels of 10216-195 / 10172-145 / 10104 / 10081 & 10032
09:07 Uttam : a) BNF needs to sustain above 21265 for a rise to 21320-414 / 21480-498 / 21550-606 / 21690-760* / 21839-888 & 21965-980
09:07 Uttam : b) The auction accepting below 21228 could test 21168-120 / 21000* / 20901 / 20784-704 / 20616 & 20525-484