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08:56 Shubham Q : GM all
08:56 Shai : GM all
08:56 Devkant : Gm
08:57 Shai : expoect a continuation of yesterday’s auction to 12178 and 12212 today
08:57 Shai : 12090 is early morning supp now
08:58 Shai : 12070- 90 held all pullbacks yesterday and is the zone to watch into close
08:58 Shai : supp lower is 12010 and 11970
08:58 Rusi : Gm all
08:59 Arcchit Agarwal : GM All
09:08 Naren : Gm Shai, All.
09:09 Gopi : zoom chart no visible?
09:11 Tejpreet : GM All.
09:12 Kailash : GM All
09:15 Shai : zoom is fine?
09:15 Naren : zoom charts are not visible Shai
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09:18 Shai : do check and let me know
09:18 KK : SHai, RIL for 2040 ?
09:18 Gopi : ok now
09:18 Rusi : BN took support from VAL
09:18 Naren : its fine now thanks Shai
09:20 Shai : RIL moving
09:21 Ankush Jain : yes
09:21 Ankush Jain : >2000
09:21 Shai : 2042 dobale
09:21 KK : 1995 to 2010 booked on that 2040 call above 1970.
09:22 KK : If RIL moving, then will bnf give inside day today ,,?
09:25 Ankush Jain : Volumes coming down
09:27 Ankush Jain : speedo at 60
09:27 Uttam : Good Morning All 🙂
09:35 K2dt : vix crush …sellers paradise
09:47 Rahul : yep
09:53 Shai : Another 20 points upside still there
09:53 Gopi : on every rise one pink box
09:53 Shai : before IB closes
09:54 Shai : yes that pink is justified
09:55 Shai : we are hitting the last 50 points of the imbalance off 11740
09:55 Shai : no new swing longs here
09:57 Shubham Q : theres selling at higher prices, right?
09:59 Shai : No it is no demnd bars
10:00 Shai : selling will be IS
10:01 Prashant : Shai, how is it no demand? Vol seems high those band. What is missing.
10:01 Uttam : positive COT
10:01 Tejaswini : is there a contrarian short here @ Shai?
10:01 Shubham Q : thanks chief
10:02 Shai : 5 min bars are sold at highs of range- (10:01) Prashant : Shai, how is it no demand? Vol seems high those band. What is missing.
10:04 Shai : shoukd get done at 12210- (09:53) Shai : Another 20 points upside still there
10:11 Rohit : Perfect reading Shai…spot tagged 12209..
10:12 Shai : was for F 🙂
10:12 Prashant : Highs don’t look secure, one move up ending in zeros would have been nice
10:13 Shai : Buy 12100 pe abv 86 sl of 78 tgt 102 cmp 81
10:13 Himanshu : Chief – is it time to go short
10:13 Himanshu : oh you shot the arrow
10:15 Shai : 12155-60 expetced
10:17 Ankush Jain : PE in
10:19 Shai : And RIL needs more than 10000 ce tro stay up these days 🙂
10:19 Shai : CR*
10:20 Shai : bugger got spoilt with all those big cheques
10:23 Rajesh G : Shai here we have rs followed by IS,
10:23 Rajesh G : how far u see it going now
10:25 Rusi : we have 2 IS in nifty. where is RS tagged ?
10:26 Uttam : fight on at vwap
10:26 Uttam : that 35k red stalling the move down for now
10:27 Uttam : BNF holding strong
10:27 Uttam : above PDH
10:31 Viswas : hdfc twins moving
10:32 Shai : exit the 12100 pe at 84 here cmp
10:35 Gopi : china border situation tense?
10:35 Gopi : flash from ventura securities
10:36 Rusi : talks sceduled today
10:41 KK : P in making ?
10:43 Tejaswini : need 0’s to clea PDH. 11k red couldnt do it
10:45 Gopi : probably second half tej
10:46 Tejaswini : this 21k wont do it too?
10:49 Gopi : profit booking started it seems
10:49 Uttam : IS forming at vwap
10:49 Uttam : BNF also at vwap now and back in prev day range
10:50 Sanjib : 12100 PE 84 to 98 50% done
10:51 Shai : Buy 12100 pe again 97 sl of 83 tgt 120
10:52 Shai : some new reds here
10:52 Shai : All longs closed at vwap
10:52 Jitender : Gen Rawat makes a statement tat situation at China border is tensse…at a webinar
10:52 Jitender : flash on tv
10:53 Anuj null : meanwhile…talks are on
10:53 Jitender : yup
10:53 Shai : It’s been tense
10:53 Jitender : tats why mentione “at a webinar”
10:55 Shai : :)\
10:55 Uttam : what timing of the news 🙂 just when NF comeplted the imbalance
10:55 Shai : 12140 to watch here
10:55 Shai : reduce sthe size of the PE at 100 here
10:55 Shai : sl at 90 on rest
10:56 Sumeet : chief of staff been reading steidlemeyer to figure out correct time of releasing statement
10:57 Himanshu : Shrude Chinese smell Trump will loose finally –
10:58 Himanshu : BJP could have invested time in campaingn in US for trump to woo Indian voters then wasting time in Bihar
10:59 Devkant : Shai this downmove play via 12100 PE was to test the VAH pf the previous day right. 44% probability of hitting VAH of previous day.
11:00 Shai : yesterday’s profile is imbalanced, so we won’t fix on VAH
11:00 Shai : look at vah- val when we have good balanced profiles
11:00 Devkant : ok thanks shai
11:01 Shai : : (08:57) Shai : expoect a continuation of yesterday’s auction to 12178 and 12212 today(08:57) Shai : 12090 is early morning supp now(
11:01 Shai : A is done
11:01 Shai : Auction raneg is the same
11:01 Shai : 12090- 12210
11:02 Shai : 91 to ewatch in that PE
11:02 Shai : there are no greens here from 09.50 am
11:04 Devkant : +1
11:05 Tejaswini : @Shai do these reds on 10:50 bar look like short in a hole?
11:06 Shai : liquidtion below vwap
11:08 Tejaswini : Can get caught?
11:09 Sadees : Shai, sellers are not doing good job below VWAP?
11:09 Prashant : If it is liquidation, i.e., not fresh short, then getting caught does not arise.
11:10 Tejaswini : Yes P. Realised that. But could be fresh shorts as well right?
11:10 Shai : That was news based specualtive volume guys
11:11 Prashant : IF
11:11 Shai : happened when that china news broke
11:11 Shai : so all longs of open shut down
11:11 Shai : exit the PE
11:11 Shai : As Jit said he was doing a webinar not a press con
11:12 Tejaswini : greens in BNF are those stuck reds exiting?
11:12 Prashant : Anything is possible with this chief of staff
11:13 Himanshu : Rumors are only triggers left now for liquidation at higher level –
11:14 Himanshu : With Limbo on US election outcome and China – Diwali Bekar kar denge BC
11:14 Shai : 🙂
11:14 Shai : Just one small point I wanted to make on the US indices moviing up
11:15 Himanshu : Sirji – Farmaiye
11:15 Shai : It was based on a clean house sweep and a stimulus not Biden or trump
11:15 Shai : now the market will weight next week that stimulus is not possible
11:15 Shai : so stay alert next week as US comes to terms with that situation
11:17 Himanshu : CNBC anchors are bubbling – Enthu – so 12400 Blow off – Liquidation indicator _ once the day they put on ATH T- shirts –
11:18 Himanshu : Frankly acting president is Powell
11:19 Himanshu : Y’day one friend told me – ” 2020 – is 2 wice effort for 0 Results – that twice is 2020
11:21 K2dt : chief is it possible to move speedo closer to price scale/ near 4-5 latest candles?
11:21 K2dt : it gets hidden in extreme left
11:21 Uttam : left bottom is ideal K as if you have OF or candles below vwap that will get hindered
11:22 Himanshu : K wants walking – Speedo with candle – Hain
11:22 Uttam : right now we do not have numbers on left so looks like that can be moved
11:23 Uttam : for exmaple when that IS bar moves bit more on the left and we have the speedo there both will appear smudged
11:23 Sanjib : RIL gathering steam
11:23 K2dt : lol H
11:23 K2dt : yes UG u r right
11:23 Tejaswini : IB RB IB now on NF
11:24 Uttam : IS at vwap failed so probe now towards VAH
11:24 Uttam : narrow range so far
11:31 Tejaswini : stalling dvah
11:38 Gopi : ril and kotak supporting
11:38 Uttam : 57k reds in BNF below vwap could give new highs
11:46 Tejaswini : developing HVN here and moving POC upwards. Bullish development?
11:56 Uttam : come on BNF lets see those new highs 😉
12:00 Viswas : hdfcbank stoppage? 2% in one way
12:07 Prashant : In ither news, Trump’s lead in Georgia is down to 1200 .
12:07 Shai : 🙂
12:07 Shai : that will be a recounbt for sure
12:07 Ankush Jain : so gaye ab wo saare
12:07 Prashant : Oh yes
12:07 Ankush Jain : they are too tired to continue
12:07 Shai : but all these recounts previously have changed it by +/- 300 only
12:08 Uttam : just delaying the inevitable?
12:08 Ankush Jain : Trump Tau koi na koi drama zaroor karega
12:08 Ankush Jain : Sour loser
12:08 Shai : some one tweeted a pic of a big movers truck outside the white house 🙂
12:08 Uttam : suddenly our EVMS look so good & advanced 😉
12:08 Bhuvan : trump is in such denial
12:08 Ankush Jain : 🙂
12:09 Prashant : But they have mail in ballots. Can’t imagine that in India. Post office loot jayega.
12:09 Shai : lol
12:10 Jitender : but people in PO mite become incredible rich…if u understand wat happens here 🙂
12:10 Uttam : finally – (11:56) Uttam : come on BNF lets see those new highs 😉
12:10 Shai : our MP’s are wondering why the people who won are not into 5 star resorts already 🙂
12:10 Uttam : lol Shai
12:10 Prashant : hahaha
12:10 Ankush Jain : some journalists, left leaning, were admiring the transparent US election process
12:10 MJ : Lol chief.
12:10 MJ : BNFFF!
12:10 Prashant : new high, auction over?
12:11 Uttam : (11:38) Uttam : 57k reds in BNF below vwap could give new highs
12:11 Ankush Jain : Amit Shah busy with Bihar. Otherwise he would have been outsourced
12:11 Prashant : Made in India nahi chalega Ankush..
12:12 Shai : NF back to vwap with 12225 sl cmp 12200
12:12 Ankush Jain : 93 k reds in NF. SLO?
12:13 Shai : yes end of auction
12:13 Gopi : bnf more reds
12:13 Sanjib : Possible FA at highs? #NF
12:14 Uttam : first get BNF to come back into IB S 😉
12:15 Uttam : BN spot can do 26689 today
12:16 Tejaswini : end of auction in both at Shai?
12:16 Shai : not in BNF
12:16 Shai : it’s has 0’s below
12:16 Uttam : yep
12:16 Tejaswini : Thanks
12:16 Uttam : IB at IBH
12:16 Uttam : intent
12:17 Sanjib : Surprisingly, 26800 PE 12 Nov is being written today. What do they know that we don’t know?
12:17 Tejaswini : That border tension news gave nice extension on upside.Caught a lot of napping traders i feel
12:23 Uttam : BNF in beast mode?
12:24 MJ : singles above 26820 on monthly profile bnf.
12:24 MJ : All the way to 28500
12:25 MJ : https://i2.wp.com/vtrender.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/BN_Monthly.png?ssl=1
12:25 Uttam : 26689 spot and 26744 first ref for now
12:25 Uttam : 26606 new highs
12:26 Uttam : 26528 was a vpoc which has been tagged
12:26 Uttam : BNF has had a Trend Week so good chance that it closes at highs
12:26 Uttam : 26600 ref in BNF for now
12:26 Uttam : can pause here
12:27 Tejaswini : 22k at top in BNF
12:29 Uttam : above 26600 next leg up towards 26750 & 26820
12:32 Shai : +1- (12:24) MJ : singles above 26820 on monthly profile bnf.
12:32 Shai : yes that is the big profile from Mar
12:32 Shai : 26820 ref
12:32 Vishnu : shai ur level to watch for bnf in upper side?
12:33 Shai : 26650 intra and 26820 swing
12:33 Shai : BNF has to take out 26820 for it to balance higher into end of the year
12:33 Uttam : selling tail in spot from 26800 to 27092
12:33 Vishnu : tnx shai
12:34 Uttam : and 6th mar of buying tail whihc got negated with a gap down was from 27162 to 27420
12:36 Rohit : Shai, NF 12209.80 tagged !
12:36 Uttam : BNF gave a multi week FA at 23895 and has comeplted 2 ATR on weekly at 26595
12:36 Uttam : sorry 25 points short as of now
12:40 Tejaswini : UG your 2ATR done
12:41 Viswas : ug high at dot
12:41 Uttam : to the dot – (12:36) Uttam : BNF gave a multi week FA at 23895 and has comeplted 2 ATR on weekly at 26595
12:41 Ankush Jain : Reds kicking in
12:42 Tejaswini : @Shai wanted to test a hypothesis that friday liquidation mostly happens in G or H. Could u help?
12:43 Tejaswini : 1 Lakh reds in NF
12:44 Shai : run it by Suyog
12:44 Shai : you can DM him on slack
12:44 Uttam : spot 26689 coming?
12:44 Tejaswini : ok
12:46 Uttam : this was yesterday – 09:18 Uttam : above 26336 BN spot has a 350 pointer move probable09:19 Uttam : BNF is the beast this week
12:46 Uttam : 26336 to 26636 done
12:46 Uttam : 50 more to go
12:53 Sanjib : boom boom
12:53 MJ : phata phati
12:53 MJ : 0’s below
12:54 Ankush Jain : boom
12:54 Uttam : 26750 in a flash
12:54 Sanjib : so the guys who were writing 26800 PE since morning knew what they were up to
12:55 Uttam : (12:23) Uttam : BNF in beast mode?
12:56 Uttam : (12:29) Uttam : above 26600 next leg up towards 26750 & 26820
12:56 MJ : hdfcbank ATH tagged.
12:57 MJ : 40% haath in bnf.
12:57 Himanshu : Yes
12:58 Ankush Jain : ATH is less than 200 points away
12:59 MJ : bank is done no? @Ankush.
12:59 MJ : Are you talking about hdfc ltd?
12:59 Jitender : longs be careful here
12:59 Jitender : better trail
12:59 Jitender : trend is up only
13:01 Jitender : MJ’s 820 is also nearby
13:01 Devkant : VIX 20.90
13:02 Shai : some anamoly in that lastr rise
13:02 Shai : trail tight
13:02 Shai : puts did not drop
13:02 Uttam : yes 26500 gave a frwak high of 690 in seconds
13:02 MJ : vwapub hit both index.
13:02 Jitender : 🙂
13:02 Uttam : and now settling around 580-600
13:03 Uttam : H wala hammer aaya aaj
13:03 Uttam : (12:33) Uttam : selling tail in spot from 26800 to 27092
13:04 Uttam : back above 26800 spot can give another spike
13:04 Uttam : but yes no fresh longs here
13:04 Uttam : and trail existing ones
13:06 MJ : .95 both in spot and F. Algos around.
13:06 Uttam : algod have always been around na Mj 😉
13:07 Uttam : algos*
13:07 Tejaswini : Didnt get u MJ
13:07 MJ : UG you know what I mean.
13:07 MJ : 🙂
13:07 Uttam : lol
13:08 MJ : Tejaswini, contextual but do watch for how supply built up. 3sd vwap and dhi and Futures high decimal was .95 (take all with OF and mp levels)
13:08 MJ : seen algo orders with decimals that end at .95 and .85
13:09 Shubham Q : so more upside?
13:09 Tejaswini : right got it. Thanks MJ. BNF high was 26799
13:10 MJ : @shubham: If you apply rules of IB IS RB RS. What do you see here?
13:11 Tejaswini : MJ when u say see how supply built up were u talking about red in BNF at 1 tick each sequentially on the 12:50 bar?
13:12 Jitender : 75 bps down from ten (12:59) Jitender : longs be careful here(12:59) Jitender : better trail(12:59) Jitender : trend is up only
13:12 MJ : +1
13:15 MJ : 1255 Bar in Nf @tejaswini and bnf 1300 bar.
13:16 MJ : Jit pointed be cautious, but overall trend up too.
13:20 Jitender : full 120 bps+ drop
13:20 Jitender : tat caution hypo over..go with lvls now
13:20 Jitender : tere is a possibility of weekend PB
13:21 Jitender : but trend is….
13:23 Tejaswini : Just noting my observations here. Need to understand how algo’s function. 1300 bar in NF and and 1305 bar in BNF had quite a lot of volumes trading without creating big imbalances and price steadily moving up
13:25 Tejaswini : My guess is systems created volumes above real traders levels artificially pushing it up finally to dump
13:25 Tejaswini : Hence the anomoly with option prices as well
13:26 Tejaswini : As these trades were not happening in options but only futs
13:27 Rajesh G : This anonomoly is becasue of put call parity…Call prices has increased in line with future so put prices will not fall otherwise it will create a put call parity issue…
13:29 Tejaswini : OK. Thanks MJ, Jit, Rajesh. This room is lit AF
13:30 Prashant : Should not put call parity say that put prices have to fallin line with rise in call prices, else put call parity will be broken?
13:31 Rajesh G : No.. Future price – put call prices should be equalivvant to stike price. so if call pricees are increase put will not fall till momentum is there..
13:33 Rajesh G : So if we take 12100 stike, future price – call prices – put prices should be zero…
13:34 Ankush Jain : NF micro balancing ?
13:35 Uttam : BN Spot had a weekly HVN at 26700 and acceptence above it is good
13:35 Shai : NF can take off again abv 12155 sl of 1225 tgt 12287
13:35 Uttam : +1 Shai
13:35 Shai : 12255*
13:37 Ankush Jain : Shai these references are from Feb charts?
13:39 Jitender : timing n mtm returns match 🙂 (13:20) Jitender : tat caution hypo over..go with lvls now
13:40 Shai : vol projections- (13:37) Ankush Jain: Shai these references are from Feb charts?
13:41 Shai : market very illiquid here
13:41 Jitender : sellers scarce
13:42 Jitender : retail wants also to buy now 🙂
13:42 Ankush Jain : FOMO kicking in
13:42 Shai : 🙂
13:42 Jitender : chalo guys…3x thru..have a grt weekend, n trade safe
13:43 Shai : they will be marketed diwali diwali rallly now by TV
13:43 Shai : Congrats
13:43 Jitender : _/\_
13:44 Shai : 12225 sl here
13:44 Shai : tgts open at 12286/ 12304
13:45 Ankush Jain : Red dots both in NF & BN
13:48 Devkant : COT 0
13:49 Devkant : tug of war
13:58 Shai : too illiquid
13:59 Uttam : 12295 Spot is a vpoc so looks like Nifty can tag that today?
14:02 Uttam : both have a 50k red at top for now
14:07 Viswas : 12200ce didn’t break high in last 2 upswing. because of illiqud?
14:09 Uttam : K period about to begin
14:11 Tejaswini : looks like waiting for K to make a move
14:12 Tejaswini : global markets are melting
14:16 Prashant : Trump leads Biden in Georgia by a margin of 463 votes only. Sorry, but too exciting that.
14:24 Shai : sl at 12242 now- (13:44) Shai : 12225 sl here
14:24 Shai : Avoid if 12242 goes
14:25 Rajiv Ohri : Today even SPX slide is not making a dent 🙂
14:26 Shai : kill longs
14:28 Shai : can do vwap
14:29 Shai : +1 for the alert- (14:12) Tejaswini : global markets are melting
14:35 Viswas : bnf level from here. sup?
14:36 Shai : short below 12220 sl of 12236
14:36 Shai : vwap tgtt
14:38 MJ : 26820 came handy
14:38 MJ : Out at vwap bnf.
14:39 Gopi : bnf leads 1st
14:40 Shai : done- (14:28) Shai : can do vwap
14:40 Ankush Jain : vwap salaam
14:41 MJ : Cheers bossman! 🙂
14:41 Himanshu : Chief + 1Mn
14:41 Shai : Book- (14:36) Shai : short below 12220 sl of 12236
14:41 Ankush Jain : +1
14:42 K2dt : fantastic chief _/\_
14:42 Tejaswini : perfect exit
14:43 Tejaswini : u r a wiz chief. magic is what it is
14:44 Uttam : yes MP+OF+Shai = VT = Magic
14:44 Tejaswini : +100
14:44 MJ : Cheers all.
14:44 MJ : Tejaswini +1 for global alert.
14:45 Tejaswini : Happy to contribute
14:47 Viswas : RIL 2040 chief perfect
14:48 MJ : That 15k below vwap in nf, can hear his crie.
14:53 Naren : +1 Uttam. Its the trust and drive for results from Shai makes the whole difference here.
14:58 Rusi : great calls and grat learning with even greater earnings shai. Thanks a lot
14:59 Tejaswini : UG good call on that BNF closing near extreme high due to trend week. Back to DPOC from vwap
14:59 Uttam : 26950 anyone in BNF?
14:59 Tejaswini : UG if u r taking it i am in
15:02 Uttam : time running out though
15:02 Uttam : 26580 ref on downside
15:03 Rusi : long bnf from vwap 26500
15:04 Uttam : book 50% & trail to cost Rusi
15:04 Rusi : ok
15:04 Uttam : 26750 needs to be taken out
15:04 Uttam : in fact 26580 is a good SL
15:06 Rusi : put sl at 26670 /72 .
15:07 MJ : vwap> ibh quant did well today.
15:16 Rusi : exited all pos. bye guys. have a nice weekend .
15:18 Uttam : je baat
15:18 Uttam : lets get a token new high at least BNF
15:19 Uttam : NF does it first
15:20 Uttam : BNF where is your new high?
15:20 Uttam : Spot makes new highs
15:20 Uttam : that is how a Trending week closes 🙂
15:20 Tejaswini : coming too
15:20 Uttam : around the hgihs
15:24 Uttam : so a
15:24 Shai : start of a balance for next week
15:24 Shai : 12015- 12350 range of trade
15:24 Uttam : yes was about to say that Shai 🙂
15:24 Vishnu : bnf?
15:24 Shai : I think now Trump’s tantrums also fully priced in
15:25 Shai : BNF day highs huge ref into next week
15:25 Shai : 26820 zone
15:25 Rohit : SPX slipping…
15:26 Uttam : hopefully it will be clear that Biden has won by Mondau
15:28 Uttam : been a nice week 🙂 thanks All & have a wonderful weekend
15:29 Shai : Have a nice weekend every one
15:29 Shai : Let’s catch up Mon
15:29 Uttam : +1
15:29 Himanshu : Chief – this 65H.44 Figure is it shwoing hrs of series
15:30 Naren : Thanks All. Have a great weekened!
15:32 Uttam : that is time left for next open H
15:33 Uttam : Monday open ke liye 65 hours left 🙂