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08:49 Chandrashekhar : GM all
08:50 K2dt : gm all
08:51 K2dt : nf now in multiples of 000 chief
08:51 K2dt : bnf too
08:51 Arcchit Agarwal : GM All
08:53 Shai : GM all
08:54 Shai : Open higher again today led by the SPX which is now 3510 strongly
08:55 Shai : our open is slated to be above imm supply of 12350 and headed to 12540
08:55 Shai : watch 12350 at open which is expected to be an OAOR
08:56 Shai : Imp change to charts- All orderflow numbers are now expresed as contracts traded for both NF and BNF instead of volume. So what you see are actual contracts now starting with 1 and going up
08:57 Shai : https://vtrender.com/weekly-charts-02nd-to-06th-november-2020-and-market-profile-analysis/
08:59 Uttam : Good Morning All 🙂
08:59 Uttam : cool – (08:56) Shai : Imp change to charts- All orderflow numbers are now expresed as contracts traded for both NF and BNF instead of volume. So what you see are actual contracts now starting with 1 and going up
09:00 Uttam : so even the COT will show the contracts difference and the POC vol also is the number of contracts there?
09:05 Sumeet : Brushing up on 75 times and 25 times tables.
09:06 Rusi : GM all
09:06 Sumeet : Charts look open and spacey and fresh
09:06 K2dt : 75 times will be wee bit tough tho S :))
09:07 K2dt : 1333 will be the key number for us… 1lac cot :))
09:10 Shai : COtr is also contracts
09:10 Chandrashekhar : +1K, any orders above 1000 is what we have to be looking for
09:10 Shai : drive is thriough BNF which is leading this charge
09:10 Ankush Jain : yups
09:10 Ankush Jain : peeche reh gai NF se
09:11 Uttam : but NF is near ATH wheras BNF has a big way to go still for its ATH 😉
09:11 Naren : Gm Shai, All.
09:11 Ankush Jain : almost 5000 points in BNF
09:15 Ankush Jain : prev high in NF was 12419?
09:15 Ankush Jain : in spot 12430
09:18 Ankit : @shai 30 mins goto chart needs a fix
09:20 Shai : done
09:20 Ankit : thanks… no candles though?
09:20 Ankit : obnly showing numbers
09:21 Ankit : *only
09:21 Shai : 12350 supp
09:22 Prashant : are charts wroking fine?
09:22 Prashant : mine keep disappearing.
09:23 Prashant : chat also refreshes
09:23 Shai : 12450 to watch
09:23 Himanshu : ist ok now –
09:23 Himanshu : GM all
09:24 Rajesh G : shai please zoom out the home charts
09:27 Rusi : SHAI we ar not able to see vol/sec
09:28 Shai : voS
09:29 Shai : sppeedo at 140
09:29 Shai : vos is 6 contracts per sec
09:29 Arjun : Volume in Zoom and Webinato are differernt for BNF
09:30 Arjun : Contract makes it very clean . Thx Shai _/\_
09:30 Shai : will check @Arjun. Thanks
09:31 Shai : Intra – Buy NF abv 12455 sl of 12423 tgt 12489/ 12510
09:32 Rusi : this is OTD , am I correct @shai ?
09:33 Ankush Jain : room chrts stuck
09:35 Shai : charts back?
09:35 Uttam : yep
09:35 Shai : looking to buy abv this only- (09:23) Shai : 12450 to watch
09:35 Ankush Jain : yes
09:35 Ankush Jain : 12450 CE at 92 buy?
09:40 Shai : buy is abv 96 in that
09:41 Ankush Jain : ok thanks
09:42 Shai : diwali rally is come early
09:42 Shai : spx also in diwali mode thanks to Biden
09:44 Uttam : 🙂
09:47 Uttam : BNF on for 27560?
09:49 Uttam : 27500ce from 347-375
09:49 Uttam : 2 big 1000 contracts on sell side in BNF
09:51 Arjun : in most of the brokers max number of contracts in one trnasaction is 100. Is this limit changeable ?
09:52 Tejaswini : UG why the positive bias inspiite of big sell orders?
09:53 MJ : 1340 contract (1L rough vol) in NF is the new LLT and 2000 contract (50k vol)
09:53 MJ : in bnf.
09:54 Tejaswini : LLT?
09:54 K2dt : +100 MJ … 1333 is our new guy 🙂
09:54 MJ : Large Lot trader.
09:54 Tejaswini : OK
09:55 MJ : Easy conversion to remember.
09:56 Uttam : booked out the CE because of the sell orders T – (09:52) Tejaswini : UG why the positive bias inspiite of big sell orders?
09:56 Uttam : but bias is up only na?
09:56 Uttam : above previous Value & above VWAP?
09:57 Shai : All this selling is still responsive
09:57 Shai : you cannot and shoudl not buy puts or be bearish till you see IS
09:57 Uttam : +1 profit booking mostly Shai ?
09:58 Viswas : view on tcs?
09:58 Shai : Abv 12450 we consider a more mature bias
09:59 Himanshu : there is bulk order provision in Motilal
09:59 Shai : till then we wait for beter IB’s
10:00 K2dt : so chief oaor for now?
10:00 Shai : yes
10:01 K2dt : tx
10:01 Himanshu : NF took support at VWAP and BNF is jumping – Enthu guy
10:01 Ankush Jain : NF ranged in IBH & vwap
10:05 Shai : same play by algos across the globe guys
10:05 Shai : dollar down
10:05 Shai : equities, currencies, bomds firing
10:05 Shai : It happens once in 12 months
10:06 K2dt : chief looks like asset price inflation is the new regime… higher valuations
10:06 Shai : don’t be naive and buy puts without undertanding trhe global factors
10:07 Shai : I say this cos a lot of newbies are just buying puts and then avergaing the losses and making more losses
10:07 Shai : this is a global risk on trigger led by a global event
10:08 Ankush Jain : Shai does OF has anything which indicates we are overbought/oversold?
10:08 Shai : No
10:08 Shai : that is retail thinking
10:08 Shai : discard it
10:09 Ankush Jain : already
10:09 Shai : 52 week highs are to be bought on good liquidity
10:09 K2dt : +100 chief .. mkts can stay irrational longer than participants can solvent :))
10:09 Ankush Jain : we rae at 52 week highs & all time highs
10:09 Shai : I’ve seen indices jump through ETF buying at all time highs also
10:09 Himanshu : DXY – bounced from 92
10:10 Shai : dxy watch 92- it is not a 5 min or intra play
10:10 Himanshu : Ankush and BNF – for 52 wek has huge room up
10:10 Shai : but will tell us what is coming next
10:10 Himanshu : yes – posted on Random – longer term cycle of DXY
10:11 Himanshu : Wanted your opinion hence, invited chief on random – incase if its making any sense
10:11 Shai : icici, hdfc, kotak in the top 5 of NF today
10:11 Ankush Jain : yes Himanshu, > 15% to go for BNF to be at ATH
10:11 Shai : though infy has the better vols
10:11 Himanshu : PSUBankex has to catch up now
10:12 Himanshu : RBI allowing NBFC as part of lending consortium with Banks is new trigger for liquidity
10:12 Rusi : most candles have negative cot. responsive selling by retailers ?
10:13 K2dt : profit booking Rusi
10:13 Rusi : ok
10:15 Shai : RIL hitting next round of supply at 2080- 2100
10:15 Shai : Abv that shoukld charge more
10:15 Shai : view was 1800 would hold
10:15 Shai : expect 2250 soon
10:15 MJ : +1 chief.
10:17 Jitender : if u guys c march chats..u wud se.. i wud often mention thats we are witnessing history in making 🙂
10:17 Jitender : nf has done 9800 bps rotation in 11 months alone
10:18 Jitender : and brings to the fore the point that nobody knows whats gonna happen next
10:19 Jitender : its yr system and faith in it and most imp disclipline of execution..tats the only key of survival in ID / derv trading
10:22 Shai : +1
10:22 Shai : These index moves would get faster and gaster now
10:23 Shai : hence best to skip all that 12 month view and that 6200 Nifty and 30000 nifty and take it one month at a time
10:24 Jitender : algo’s n ten AI in it…will totally change the mkts in times to come
10:25 Shai : indeed
10:27 Shai : 12410 sl at cmp 12424 tgt 12455
10:33 Uttam : 437 stuck reds in NF
10:36 Uttam : BNF not in sync for now
10:39 Shai : 12439 book- (10:27) Shai : 12410 sl at cmp 12424 tgt 12455
10:39 Shai : RS came
10:40 Shai : Actually is part of that 437 which went upside down
10:40 Uttam : yes Shai
10:40 Uttam : was about to say it 🙂
10:44 Viswas : kotak slide
10:46 Uttam : IS in BNF – (10:36) Uttam : BNF not in sync for now
10:46 Uttam : 0s at 27310
10:46 Uttam : vwap
10:47 Uttam : 1232 red stuck in this bar looks like
10:47 Ankush Jain : in NF also
10:49 Gopi : banks sliding
10:52 Himanshu : Chief – in BNF is it open auction now –
10:56 Uttam : case of impatient traders looks like today
10:56 Vidhyasagar Lingesan : RB followed by IB in NF
10:56 Uttam : most of them wanting to short and getting stuck
10:59 Uttam : ‘p’ being formed for now looks like
10:59 Uttam : typical OAOR
11:02 Uttam : 0s holding in BNF
11:02 Uttam : (10:46) Uttam : 0s at 27310(10:46) Uttam : vwap
11:05 Prashant : I know it is only a matter of time in getting used to it, but total numbers seemed better than no. of contracts
11:11 Ravi : small numbers will be easy to work with as we get used to i think
11:11 Ravi : though yes difficult today
11:12 Milind : Shai is it possible increase font size of BNF values
11:13 Milind : Like Nifty
11:13 Tejaswini : 0’s ke paar BNF @UG
11:15 Shai : better?
11:15 Ankush Jain : 133 is new 10000 in NF
11:15 Shai : Actually contracts and volume is the same thing
11:16 Shai : This can work better as we can see direct the contracts inputted
11:16 MJ : Below 12393 A Lows cometh?
11:16 Ankush Jain : It is matter of time before our brains are trained into
11:16 Shai : 12380/ 12366 doable now in NF
11:16 Ankush Jain : even NSE new site dealing in contracts
11:17 Shai : +1
11:19 Ankush Jain : since that big bar of 1040, NF styaing below vwap
11:21 Viswas : shai sir wht should be sl for 366
11:22 Shai : sl abv vwap for IS trades
11:23 Shai : 2nd IS forming now
11:24 Uttam : NF profil chart not updating Shai?
11:24 Uttam : it needed a jerk 😉
11:24 Uttam : from ‘p’ to bell now
11:26 Manik : from p to bell indicates that from buyers being dominant now its becoming neutral?
11:31 Shai : for now yes
11:31 Tejaswini : All those reds in last half hour below vwap in BNF could e initiative sellers?
11:31 Shai : could not move abv 12450
11:31 Shai : now 12350-66 test tells uys what can come next
11:31 Rajesh G : shai how u derived 450
11:32 Shai : That IS at 12.40 has o’s and major reds
11:32 Shai : Also got stuck buyers abv vwap at 11.10
11:33 Uttam : 12390 needs to be taken out
11:33 Uttam : 472 red was there and now again 179 red
11:33 Shai : Op+ range in 5 min box+ volume projected- (11:31) Rajesh G : shai how u derived 450
11:33 Uttam : BNF got a big 2k red stuck
11:34 Shai : As I mention always – Volume precedes price
11:34 Shai : Price can do nothing by itself
11:34 Uttam : this vol/sec addition in room is nice Shai
11:34 Uttam : what can we take as better than average for both NF & BNF?
11:35 Shai : dpoc down in BNF
11:35 Uttam : thanks to those 1k & 2k stuck reds Shai
11:36 Shai : 7 mins to do 12380 sl moves to 12410
11:37 Shai : done- in timer
11:37 Himanshu : Chief – do you keep Hunter to bang ?
11:37 Uttam : 109-114 in 12400pe
11:37 Himanshu : So in – time
11:37 Uttam : 10 secs trade
11:38 Tejaswini : Now thats a lot of volumes in A selling tail of BNF
11:38 Himanshu : This was Chabook trade
11:38 Shai : 12403 TSL- (11:16) Shai : 12380/ 12366 doable now in NF
11:38 Shai : Ther difference is when you go and buy puts on IS
11:39 Jitender : +1
11:39 Tejpreet : +100
11:39 Shai : (09:57) Shai : All this selling is still responsive(09:57) Shai : you cannot and shoudl not buy puts or be bearish till you see IS
11:39 Uttam : +100 Shai
11:39 Shai : Takes the pain out
11:50 Shai : shorts out on that IB
11:58 Devkant : Shai profile charts are stuck
11:58 Devkant : NF
11:59 Shai : Thanks
11:59 Shai : Market also getting stuck here
11:59 Shai : vwap / dpoc beginning to align
11:59 Devkant : 🙂
11:59 Shai : we are headed for a normal day
12:05 Uttam : rejection at vwap can give new lows for the day?
12:05 Uttam : NF has similar lows too due for a repair
12:26 Uttam : reds in BNF
12:26 Devkant : Shai last friday you stated that markets are illiquid, due to lesser no. of sellers. Is it fair to assume that today also it’s illiquid?
12:26 Uttam : 418 green got stuck at vwap
12:27 KK : when we say, 418, is it 41K ?
12:27 Uttam : Shai : Imp change to charts- All orderflow numbers are now expresed as contracts traded for both NF and BNF instead of volume. So what you see are actual contracts now starting with 1 and going up
12:27 Uttam : so 418 = 10450
12:28 Aditya09 : y did we remove volume per minute and sec
12:29 Shai : so far looks good today- (12:26) Devkant : Shai last friday you stated that markets are illiquid, due to lesser no. of sellers. Is it fair to assume that today also it’s illiquid?
12:29 Shai : but friday was way off
12:29 Uttam : we have VoC as a ticker na A? – (12:28) Aditya09 : y did we remove volume per minute and sec
12:29 Uttam : VoS*
12:30 Devkant : +1 Shai
12:31 Uttam : new lows coming?
12:31 Uttam : 3-1-3 profile in BNF
12:31 Uttam : and as repair of those lows in NF would be nice but looks like it has other plans
12:33 Devkant : it’s bouncing from 12380
12:38 Uttam : charts gone?
12:42 Shai : can jump to 12435
12:52 Ankush Jain : 1st lockdown everything was going down. 2nd lockdown everything is going up
12:53 Devkant : NF PROFILE CHARTS STUCK
13:00 Viswas : india vix spiked, any impact here?
13:02 Shai : stopped at 422 , – (12:42) Shai : can jump to 12435
13:02 Shai : back in balance
13:02 Shai : no trades here
13:02 Uttam : that 326 hoisted green flag at top
13:04 KK : 736 red below vwap
13:04 KK : in bnf
13:04 Uttam : 800 green got out looks likr
13:05 Uttam : it has been a case of stuck players so far
13:05 Himanshu : The biggest business done today is trapping both side
13:05 Viswas : only locals playing UG? i mean no big players right
13:06 Himanshu : NF volumes says – OF active
13:06 Himanshu : cause volume was good in till D
13:06 Viswas : noted H
13:07 Himanshu : today BNF has crazy volume
13:08 Tejaswini : There was one more 800 on top UG
13:08 Uttam : yes 792 at top & 800 below it
13:09 Tejaswini : yup
13:09 Himanshu : BNF has more room left for ATH while NF – has crossed so – BNF Volume shall be watched I guess
13:19 Uttam : room charts blank?
13:21 Himanshu : OAOR is when retailers go to nap – catch them .
13:27 Vidhyasagar Lingesan : yes U.. chart area blank
13:28 Uttam : BNF getting ready?
13:30 Rajesh G : room charts
13:30 Uttam : webinato seems to be in hangover
13:31 Uttam : charts back
13:31 Shai : COT is changed again
13:31 Shai : good for 12450
13:32 Uttam : BNF got 1k green at top
13:33 MJ : 5 IB 4 IS on a gap up day.
13:35 Milind : 27500 CE writer avg price of 303, looks in trouble
13:37 Uttam : 27500ce from 312-329
13:38 Uttam : can do 350+ but booked out for now
13:39 Himanshu : Milinnd I guess 27500 Straddle writeres are in profit of 300 Rs
13:44 Shai : Buy NF avc 12435 sl of 12414 tgt 12465
13:44 Shai : Abv*
13:50 Milind : Yes Himanshu around 250 rs from closing of 6th
13:54 Rajesh G : test
13:56 Shai : pace is evry slow
13:56 Shai : 2 contracts per sec
13:57 Himanshu : so we can reach there by tom 11ish
13:57 Viswas : global siliding bit
14:00 Himanshu : Chief also – now its on contract base numbers so visually will feel even slower
14:01 Shai : hmm
14:01 Shai : Aome big guys at the highs in BNF
14:02 Shai : they are buying for a move highe rin BNF
14:04 Tejaswini : +1. Another one now
14:04 Shai : Theri sl is 27230
14:04 Rajiv Ohri : longs in NF in?
14:05 Shai : 27490 tgt 1 for them
14:05 Shai : NF in
14:07 Himanshu : room chart stuck ?
14:07 Tejaswini : @Shai how did u deduce there targets and stoploss?
14:08 Tejaswini : *their
14:08 Shai : Volumr and COT
14:10 Shai : needs a quick nmove abv 12445
14:10 Shai : 12429 trailing for longs
14:13 Tejaswini : Dollar is rallying since europe open
14:14 Rajesh G : k begins
14:15 Shai : hold at 12417 SL
14:15 Shai : that 704 guys spoiled it
14:16 Shai : 12465 still doable COt is good
14:17 Shai : 12417 sl
14:22 Shai : 12446 book out longs
14:29 Ankush Jain : Its lonely at the top, they say
14:29 MJ : bnf dhi pahije?
14:29 Shai : BNF some more buyers
14:29 Ankush Jain : NF beahaving very quietly
14:29 Uttam : 27560 coming?
14:29 Shai : RIL,abv 2100 will take over the pulling
14:29 Shai : till then the BNF
14:33 Shai : BNF big boys booking
14:33 Shai : (14:05) Shai : 27490 tgt 1 for them
14:33 Shai : close
14:36 Tejaswini : Brilliant Shai
14:36 Tejaswini : Absolutely amazing
14:38 Tejaswini : @Shai what timeframe are these players. Do they have any intention to hold overnight or they out?
14:38 Shai : _/\_
14:38 Shai : BNF is mostly intra
14:38 Uttam : 27500ce from 345-357
14:38 Tejaswini : Thanks
14:38 Uttam : (14:29) Uttam : 27560 coming?
14:38 Uttam : je baat
14:39 Uttam : 27540 so far
14:39 Shai : +1
14:40 Uttam : boom boom
14:40 Uttam : 27560 done
14:41 Shai : All that blue is booking in 1 go
14:41 Uttam : yes -1903 COT in BNF
14:42 Uttam : -2300k in NF COT
14:45 Devkant : Uttam BNF going for 0’s @ 27400?
14:48 Uttam : 26460 ref on downside
14:48 Uttam : else can play the 45 degree
14:48 Uttam : 27460*
14:49 Shai : 12400 ce last trade sl of 105 tgt 126/ 132
14:53 Jitender : 2mrw is bihar election results day
14:55 Shai : +1
14:55 Shai : vix spike mid day was weird today
14:56 Jitender : yup…big tick
14:56 Ankush Jain : it spiked back after few minutes
14:56 Amit Jain : yes and drooped in 30 min
14:56 Ankush Jain : made a inverted U
14:59 Uttam : spike coming?
15:01 Shai : exit- (14:49) Shai : 12400 ce last trade sl of 105 tgt 126/ 132
15:02 Uttam : such a nice bell in NF
15:03 Uttam : inspite of the poor lows
15:07 Tejaswini : how spx trades today will be important. could sell on news kind of situation happen there?
15:08 Ankush Jain : NF bell has a pressed belly UG
15:10 Shai : stays in the 12350- 12540 range
15:10 Shai : (08:55) Shai : our open is slated to be above imm supply of 12350 and headed to 12540
15:11 Uttam : spor making new highs into the close
15:11 Shai : good OF at the lows again
15:11 Shai : should continue as dip buy mode
15:13 Uttam : mini spike hi sahi 😉 – (14:59) Uttam : spike coming?
15:14 K2dt : +100 UG..last trade dedicated to u 🙂
15:15 Uttam : lol 🙂 _/\_
15:16 Uttam : this held in BNF though it made a low of 27454 – (14:48) Uttam : 26460 ref on downside
15:17 MJ : Bossman swing wise pushing above 26820 to 27100? SL wise?
15:18 Uttam : so Spot closing at ATH in Nifty 🙂
15:19 Uttam : poor lows ke saath poor highs free in NF 😉
15:20 Ankush Jain : Today’s profile orphaned in NF
15:20 Ankush Jain : aaju baaju koi nahin
15:21 Milind : 12400 CE 110 to 124
15:21 Uttam : congo M
15:22 Uttam : 12538 at open tom in NF?
15:22 Uttam : close around highs yet again in both
15:23 Anuj null : carry calls ?
15:23 Uttam : I am not carrying anything
15:24 Uttam : overnight a risk
15:24 Uttam : BNF also new highs
15:24 MJ : We had A singles till 12366 on 20th Jan 2020.
15:24 MJ : https://mplite.vtrender.com/?symbol=NIFTY&tf=daily&tpo=3&ll=12200&ul=12400&sp=1&startDate=&endDate=&nDays=8&idstr=&dstr=_8&rst=0&iam=
15:25 Uttam : 12385 was a FA in Nifty which got negated
15:25 Uttam : 12384 was also the 1 atr objective of weekly FA of 12025
15:26 Uttam : and we are closing comfortably above it
15:27 Uttam : BNF shorts getting out
15:27 Uttam : big greens
15:27 Shai : yes big buyiing from vwap of BNF today- (15:17) MJ : Bossman swing wise pushing above 26820 to 27100? SL wise?
15:27 Uttam : Spot leaving a NeuX in Nifty
15:28 Uttam : NS coming with a PC?
15:28 MJ : Thanks bossman!
15:28 Uttam : thanks All 🙂 have a lovely evening
15:29 Shai : tc all
15:29 Shai : have a nice evening