General Chat Transcript
Date and Time: March 04, 2015 08:57:18
[08:56] Shai : GM all
[08:56] Porus : GM Shai and all
[08:57] Shai : RBI cuts rates by 25 bps to 7.5% from 7.75%
[08:59] r m : Good Morning folks!
[09:00] r m : http://vtrender.com/levels-and-plan-for-4th-march/
[09:00] r m : http://vtrender.com/premium/orderflow-charts-and-notes-030315/
[09:00] r m : Nifty MAR Futures Key Reference Area 9058 Hypo1 above 9058➜9090➜9122 SL 9034 Hypo2 below 9034➜9006➜8978➜8944 SL 9058
[09:00] r m : Banknifty MAR Futures KRA 20064 Hypo1 above 20064➜20199➜20255➜20443-496 SL 20010 Hypo2 below 19955➜19884➜19768➜19714 SL 20066
[09:02] r m : That monitory committee proposal has made Rajan rather active 🙂
[09:03] Rav : RBI cuts RR to 7.5%
[09:04] Shai : quick update on the hypo levels : 9122 will be 1st supp for intra on a gap up and 9211 is Objective if we stay abv 9122 all day
[09:04] Shai : In BNF watch 20607- 20687 as support for a gap up- Objective of the rise is 20931/ 21331 by tom
[09:05] Shai : all F levels
[09:06] Shai : Also through the chart look for signs of long liquidation in 1st 30 mins
[09:11] Tejpreet : GM All.
[09:12] Shai : some 9000 ce and 9100 ce was reducing in Last 30 mins
[09:13] r m : FII’s have been piling up long index futures all these days in the new series
[09:13] Shai : yes trend players win on the gap up
[09:14] Shai : BNF pre open is 3% plus
[09:20] Shai : 1st auction down from 20610
[09:20] Shai : 20443 now supp
[09:21] Shai : longs cashing out on the RR gift
[09:21] r m : 🙂
[09:25] Shai : looks like a 20443- 20687 F morning in BNF
[09:25] Rav : SC and LL first 5 min
[09:26] Shai : Not staying abv vwap means longs are not driving
[09:27] Shai : BN sot still within the Jan 30 profile
[09:27] Shai : spot*
[09:28] Shai : That carnage on that 1 day of Jan 30 in BN impacted it for a month
[09:28] Amit J : shai your view on sbi for short
[09:29] Amit J : pipavav def for long?
[09:30] Shai : small hint of buying in BNF
[09:31] Shai : sbin weak below 305 can drop to 296/ 287
[09:34] Shai : pipavav waiting for vols to update
[09:34] Shai : pipavav has been in news for that M&M play?
[09:34] Shai : your eicher is in the news today @Amit
[09:34] Shai : 🙂
[09:35] Shai : NG ging for gap fill
[09:35] Shai : sl of 9136 tgt 9063
[09:35] Shai : NF*
[09:36] Shai : Not styaing abv the critical pre open levels of 9122/ 20607
[09:37] Navaneeth : GM all/shai bro
[09:38] RK : Yesterday range was lower than average range in many stocks and even in NF/BNF..
[09:39] Shai : Yes RK vix dropping
[09:39] Shai : Market caught off guard today
[09:40] RK : drifting down further may hit many SL of trend following systems due to PD lower range
[09:40] Shai : Bulls taking an easy route and booking gains first up
[09:40] Shai : pd?
[09:40] RK : previous day
[09:40] Shai : ok
[09:40] RK : like pivot, Moving average study etc
[09:40] r m : Now they will install a statue of “Nandi” opposite RBI 🙂
[09:41] RK : lol
[09:41] Shai : sl is 9136 for the gap fill trade
[09:41] RK : charts gone Shai
[09:42] Rav : SBI LBU buying seen heavi
[09:43] Amit J : eicher i exited yesteday. worng exit
[09:50] Rav : ITC 350.80
[09:51] Vishal : shai view on tata steel
[09:55] Shai : tata steel should do 360/ 362 sl of 349.8
[09:56] Shai : I’m more bullish if it closes this week abv 362
[09:57] RK : Tata steel stuck in a very narrow range making inside day for 3 days now
[09:58] Shai : ITC good move abv 345
[09:58] Shai : Rumors of it beig split in different verticals
[09:58] Rav : 340pe is protecting ITC but huge ce oi is there till 400
[10:14] Rav : max pain at 9000. 9100-9200ce SC set in
[10:18] Shai : Not a lot of buying at the lows but gap is not closed at end of the hour
[10:19] Shai : so we will have to cover shorts lower and buy abv 9140 now
[10:22] Sharad : GM all
[10:24] Tejpreet : Shai now that things are settled what would be a good lvl to enter BN.
[10:25] Shai : intra ?
[10:25] Tejpreet : YES
[10:25] Shai : Intra longs over vwap only no
[10:25] Shai : now*
[10:26] Tejpreet : Mostly 21000 call.
[10:26] Shai : My view for most of the settlement is on the weekly para
[10:27] Shai : roughly 20584- 19736 spot
[10:27] Shai : consolidation
[10:28] Shai : Maintain NF on this : We believe the Profile will still probe a bit higher before creating a balance between 8950- 9150 F through most of March
[10:28] Tejpreet : OK so play intra at VWAP and look for break of 20584- 19736 spot.
[10:28] Shai : though after the unexpected event today did think about an intra jump to 9210
[10:29] Shai : yes
[10:30] Shai : Tha profile of Jan 30 was a “moving profile” and since short covering has set in BNf that needs to be probed throroughly
[10:31] Tejpreet : Thanks Shai.
[10:33] Shai : BNF aggressive trade is with sl at day low and add abv vwap tgt 20610
[10:33] Shai : cmp 20436 – go wth 50% and add abv vwap
[10:34] Shai : 20386 shows buyers coming back
[10:35] Shai : check FP charts at 20392/ 20400
[10:35] Shai : though smaller in Vols it is the same we saw yesterday at 19980
[10:35] Shai : *like the same we **
[10:36] Shai : BNF yesterday : http://vtrender.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/15_min_BNF_FP22.png
[10:41] Shai : Exit NF shorts above 9129
[10:42] Shai : Buy NF above 9136 with sl of 9119 tgt 9156/9170
[10:46] Amit J : At present, PSU bank chiefs are paid one-fifth of their peers in private banks. Bank analysts say private bankers joining a PSU bank would be a positive development. “A lot of private bankers would want to join PSU banks because of their size, challenges and the opportunities they may get,” says Amit Jain, a senior analyst at Sunidhi Securities. “If a high-profile person joins a PSU, it could immediately improve the bank’s valuation based on the expectation that the bank’s efficiency will improve,” he added.
[10:50] Rav : But How they will get hefty salary of 1-1/5th from PSU?
[10:50] r m : also once the banker has worked with a PSU bank his markt value will go up multiple time
[10:51] r m : I think this is what will pursuade them to work for PSUs
[10:51] RK : Rav I personlally feel monetary income at stage become immaterial.I mean for the high profile people 🙂
[10:51] RK : *at one stage
[10:51] r m : yes
[10:52] r m : also there is a bottleneck at the top in private banks
[10:52] Rav : Many IAS officers were recruited in the past by BIG Corporates with huge salary. Vineet joined MBT ,now TM
[10:52] RK : the presssure at top in private is kind of suffocating throughout life 🙂
[10:52] Amit J : it was my interview in ET
[10:52] r m : Congrats Amit 🙂
[10:53] RK : Great Amit 🙂
[10:53] RK : Wish you to take the headlines shortly 🙂
[10:53] Tejpreet : Congrats Amit …we have a TV star in our group:)
[10:53] Porus : Nice Amit.
[10:53] Amit J : thanks
[10:53] Shai : Great Amit. Cngrats 🙂
[10:55] Amit J : thks
[10:55] Rav : My Auntie works in leading PSU as Head and likely to be next Dy Gov But her salary is meagre 14 lacs whereas in Pvt, his friend gets 68 lacs!
[10:57] Amit J : great Rav. name?
[10:57] Rav : can not be disclosed for privy reason
[10:57] Rav : Amit
[10:57] Amit J : no issue
[10:57] Rav : when she becomes, we all will know
[11:05] Rav : 8800-8900pe writers added huge positions. 8980 is good level to buy
[11:06] Rav : 9089 is good level to buy
[11:06] r m : Thanks Rav
[11:09] Rav : http://screencast.com/t/kfk0f6qAPL5
[11:12] r m : Thanks Rav!
[11:12] Rav : wc
[11:30] Amit J : axis yesterdays low gone
[11:30] Amit J : below shai level of 627
[11:33] Shai : Cover NF shorts
[11:33] Shai : BNF 20245 high of the rise before today
[11:34] Shai : That 11.30- 11.45 algo has been showing up at the lows every day
[11:34] Shai : and taking the market to highs at close
[11:35] Shai : a 60 point sudden drop can come BNF
[11:35] Shai : 20245 obj
[11:42] Shai : Not a lot of buyers yet
[11:42] Shai : BNF
[11:44] Shai : 9000 pe is still lesser than 9000 ce in OI and we are 96 point up
[11:45] Amit J : and they are old writers and also 8900 supoort missing in PE
[11:46] Shai : 20252
[11:46] Rav : 8800-9100 pe OI is 1 cr and ce is 96 lacs.
[11:46] Shai : things get interesting here
[11:47] Shai : at sake is a 300 point move
[11:47] Rav : 21000-20500CE WRITING is heavy
[11:49] RK : HUL touched 945 and came down
[11:49] Shai : Buy levels trigger abv 20290 if 20240 holds
[11:49] RK : that was a quick 10 up 5 down move in HUL
[11:49] Shai : tgt 20437
[11:52] Shai : selelrs still in BNF at 20250
[11:53] Shai : sellers**
[11:59] Shai : 20000 pe and 20500 ce bth same price about
[11:59] Shai : one of them is a big winner as this level is a pivot into tom
[12:00] Shai : potential, move if to yesterday lows or back to 20610 by tom
[12:00] Rav : axis sbi SBU….will pull down bnf but bnf is LBU with huge addition of 25%
[12:02] Tejpreet : Rav what is option build up in SBI 300 call looks tempting around 11.
[12:03] Amit J : this rally started with cut, may be ending with a cut
[12:03] Shai : BNF big buyers
[12:04] Shai : but price is heavily against them below 20250
[12:04] r m : gap filled in sync
[12:05] Shai : 20134
[12:05] Rav : 310-330ce oi:1.1 cr avoid long
[12:06] Tejpreet : ok Rav.
[12:07] Shai : 20112 is vah
[12:07] Rav : 290-310pe oi: just 49 lacs in sbi….bearish
[12:08] Shai : 9063 vah
[12:10] Rav : yesterday with -0.25% closed and today it will be closed with +0.25% to match with RR cut………….
[12:10] Shai : 80% rulel below VAH tgts 9009/ 20016
[12:16] Shai : Buyers first time today at 9069- 9077 and 20160- 20185
[12:17] Shai : High risk long for 20280 with sl of 20165 cmp 20225
[12:18] Shai : NF down auction may be over
[12:18] Shai : Intra tgt is 9115 from 9085 cmp sl of 9061
[12:20] Shai : BNF safety for longs only abv 20300
[12:25] Rav : 9200ce writing and 9000pe writing going on
[12:27] Manoj : This year I held shorts on two days, jan 14 th and mar 3rd..and see wht happnd next day..sheer bad luck
[12:27] Shai : Positional BNF close below 20250 today in F is not good
[12:27] Shai : oops Manoj
[12:27] RK : Manoj 🙁
[12:28] Shai : Actauuly RR was rumored to announce on Tues
[12:28] Rav : we alerted on thursday itself
[12:28] Shai : Yes I remeber Ravi
[12:28] Manoj : I missed it
[12:29] Shai : But the other thing is that he spoke of no rate cut in interview on rising oil
[12:29] Shai : Now he has left inflation aside and talking about falling growth
[12:30] Rav : crude oil reduction impact will be known only by last qtr of this year as we have revoving credit ranging from 3-6 months
[12:38] Rav : bull bear sideway days detection….http://www.screencast.com/users/Ravicbe/folders/Jing/media/f9376e69-fe50-403c-bf94-2606e7490066
[12:40] r m : Thanks Rav
[12:59] r m : buyers
[13:00] RK : good to see them at IB low 🙂
[13:01] Shai : BNF still undecided at 20250
[13:02] RK : Shai HUL can we add above your level of 945..2 days resisting there..
[13:06] Shai : HUL may be hinting a revisit to 920 first
[13:06] RK : great
[13:06] Shai : poosibly 906
[13:06] Shai : looks extended sideways now
[13:07] RK : fine..thanks
[13:07] Shai : NF did 9105 , bring sl to 9077 and lock some profits
[13:26] RK : accumulation in Asian paints
[13:38] r m : now bnf joins
[14:03] Varun : @shai whts wap
[14:04] Varun : fr nifty
[14:04] r m : 9105 approx
[14:04] Varun : thnks rm
[14:05] r m : welcome
[14:05] Varun : and fr bnf
[14:06] r m : 20370
[14:06] Varun : cool 🙂
[14:07] Varun : both near ibl
[14:07] r m : yes
[14:07] Varun : perfect trades for ib range if they cross
[14:07] RK : Varun thats why NF cannot climb IBL :)..it sruggles there many times
[14:08] Varun : till now its played perfect ova open
[14:08] Varun : touched pvah to reverse
[14:08] Varun : should see an afternoon rally
[14:08] Varun : lets see 🙂
[14:16] RK : KRA in NF
[14:17] Shai : BNF wekening
[14:17] Shai : 20016 trade possible below 20110
[14:30] Shai : 20024
[14:30] Shai : secod test of 20100 is another sell
[14:31] Shai : can drop to 19955
[14:31] Shai : 19883 FA will come tom
[14:31] RK : then FA 19983 is there
[14:31] RK : *19883
[14:31] RK : ok
[14:31] Shai : sl is pull back high 20320 though
[14:35] Shai : what a day
[14:35] Shai : BNF below VAL
[14:35] Shai : NF done val almost
[14:35] Varun : 80
[14:35] Shai : that 80% was quick today
[14:36] Varun : 80 % sometimes is boom boom
[14:36] Varun : and today was one
[14:36] Varun : once pvah gone
[14:36] Varun : its was tought o hold
[14:37] Varun : @shai if we close below ath, will it be considered a fa on daily time framwe
[14:38] Shai : Logic of that FA is to go below pdl
[14:39] Varun : ok
[14:39] Varun : still lots to work then
[14:39] Shai : but there is xcess at top so short trem top for sure
[14:39] Varun : big excess
[14:39] Varun : will make it very very tough and massive sideways in this region to cross
[14:41] Shai : 8944 coming
[14:42] Shai : 9021 sl in NF cmp 8996 tgt 8944
[14:46] Tejpreet : brought bn at 19852
[14:47] Tejpreet : just 2 lot
[14:47] Shai : 19770 break can trigger a further slide
[14:47] Shai : Now below FA
[14:47] Shai : 19521 obj below 19768
[14:48] Shai : Buyer in NF at 8966
[14:50] Amit J : axis low 608 shai level. superb
[14:52] Rav : 8200-9000ce LL happening
[14:53] Rav : premium shrinks to 30
[14:53] Shai : 8944 NF
[14:53] Shai : market dropping on it’s own weight now
[14:54] Shai : can bounce
[14:54] Tejpreet : superb call on Nf covers bn loss.
[14:54] Shai : 8908 next supp below 8944
[14:54] Amit J : shai trend day. can we close at days low
[14:55] Shai : yes trend day pull back highs at 9105 and 18305
[14:55] Shai : 20305*
[14:55] Shai : don’t add new shrts here
[14:59] Rav : nf LU
[15:00] Rav : Indicates reversal of trend
[15:05] Shai : 8982
[15:06] Varun : shai ur fa trgt achived
[15:06] Varun : cool man.well done
[15:06] Varun : in bnf
[15:08] Shai : But we are below FA points
[15:08] Shai : which is short trem neg
[15:09] Shai : 8810- 8888 F had thos eheavy buyers on budget day
[15:09] Shai : 8930 last round of buying on budget day
[15:09] Shai : but this close at 8960 is weak
[15:10] Amit J : mar end is expected to be poor
[15:12] Shai : close at day lows
[15:14] Shai : BNF forced to look ta thse anomalies now
[15:14] Shai : 19592/ 19520
[15:14] RK : 19592/19520
[15:14] RK : 🙂
[15:14] Shai : fast changing objectives in BNF
[15:15] Shai : was weak below 20250 for 300 points but weaker now below FA point
[15:15] RK : person who invented SL is a god 🙂
[15:16] Shai : Roughly 19521/ 19546 is obj of the auction
[15:17] Shai : Auction changes polarity today
[15:17] Shai : Use th highs now to add shorts
[15:20] Rav : BNF would have terrified both bulls and bears by now.
[15:20] Tejpreet : rav true 14 trades net gain 650 rupees
[15:21] Tejpreet : 🙂
[15:26] Shai : Don’t think bears will push hard tom
[15:26] Shai : looking for a consolidating 8925- 9000 kind of range tom
[15:27] Varun : todays profile would be something diff @shai
[15:27] Varun : 🙂
[15:27] Shai : yes trend day profile
[15:28] Varun : would eb tough to open such an elongated profile in blog 🙂
[15:28] Shai : we call it a moving profile like Jan 30 in BN
[15:28] Rav : 8900 pcr is big support and 19500 is for BN. Next 2 days will be rangebound to write calls and puts by biggies comfortably at high premium being first week of series
[15:28] Shai : + holiday on friday should invite writers
[15:29] Shai : 8922 was a VPOC of 22/02 and very large buy volume seen there
[15:29] Shai : next round only below 8922F
[15:29] Shai : vpoc of 23/02
[15:30] Rav : NIFTY PCR is inching up heavily
[15:30] r m : Thanks and bye folks, have a great evening 🙂
[15:30] Varun : @shai like we have pva, ib levels in nf15 min fp chart
[15:30] Varun : can we hve vpoc also on them
[15:30] Varun : would be easy to ralate and spot under todays circumastnces
[15:30] RK : thanks and bye all
[15:30] Varun : relate
[15:30] Rav : Bye
[15:31] Porus : bye all
[15:31] Tejpreet : Bye All
[15:31] Shai : Bye all
[15:32] Shai : Have a nice evening
[15:34] Amit J : bye
[15:34] Amit J : todays commentary by shai would be interesting